Sunday, April 30, 2023

Litchfield, IL: Big Four, CB&Q, IC and Wabash Depots

Big Four: (PhotosSatellite, south of Edwards Street and between Jefferson & State Streets)
CB&Q: (PhotosSatellite, northeast quadrant of Union Avenue and the tracks)
IC: (Photos; Satellite)

The Big Four and IC routes are abandoned, but BNSF and NS still run through the town.
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Big Four

 
Trent Briggs posted
Larry Candilas: NYC-Big Four St Louis Line, MP 207.0
Richard Fiedler shared

Jacob Hortenstine posted
New York Central Litchfield Illinois
Sam Anthony: worked extra in Litchfield on Wabash depot, also a brick depot, double main north and south. agent was named George if I remember right. sold tickets for passenger trains in early /mid 60 s.
John LaRochelle: George Gregory, Seniority date August 30th 1917, a real old timer with 52 years service in 1969.
Bill Edrington: I knew George Gregory well. I used to hang out with him at the depot when I was a kid. After he retired, he studied archaeology at SIU-Edwardsville and went on "digs" with the other students, who were all still in their teens and 20s. Remarkable guy.

Bill Edrington commented about the Big Four Depot: "Litchfield was located on the "Old Line", the original route of Big Four predecessor Terre Haute & Alton Railroad.  It was downgraded to branch line status in 1905 with the opening of the "Short Line" cutoff via Livingston.  The old passenger platform at Litchfield, and the sidewalk leading to the depot from Edwards Street, are still visible today even though the railroad is long gone."

There has been a lot of construction in the area of the Big Four Depot and sove of the platform is either gone or corverd.
Satellite

So I fired up Google Earth. The above image is from Sep 2022. The previous image shows the dirt-covered platform just north of the long building in the middle.
Google Earth, Oct 2020

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CB&Q

 
Jacob Hortenstine posted
CB&Q depot 1955 Litchfield Illinois
John David Mitchell Jr: This depot was not a CB&Q design. It was a Jacksonville & Southeastern (Jax Line) design.
Bill Edrington: Roy Heberer was the Q agent in Litchfield in the mid-1960s. I spent many happy hours hanging out at this depot back in those days. The era of heavy northbound coal traffic out of southern Illinois on this line was over, and normally only daily freights #73 and #66 came through. Later in the decade the joint CB&Q-CNW unit train coal move from Sesser, IL to Oak Creek, WI (interchanged at Virden) began. The BN merger; new run-through agreements with the Southern (over Centralia) and L&N (over Woodlawn); abandonment of the BN's Concord-East St. Louis line via White Hall; and the opening of the Cook Terminal rail-barge facility for Powder River Basin coal near Metropolis all brought much new business to this line and it is an important BNSF route today.
Dennis DeBruler: Where was it? Just north of Union Street and east of the mainline?
Bill Edrington: Dennis DeBruler - Yes. It was on the east side of the tracks and faced Union Avenue. BNSF now has a steel building in the same general area but a little farther east of the tracks, which I believe is used by MofW and signal personnel.
Jacob Hortenstine: do you know when the railcar quite running that line?
Bill Edrington: Yes. The "dinky" made its last run from Beardstown to Herrin and back on April 27, 1957.
Bill Edrington: My dad could remember when one of the new Burlington Zephyrs was on display at Litchfield in the 1930s. I remember riding a steam excursion behind CB&Q #4960 from Litchfield to Sorento in 1963, when I was in 5th grade. I should also mention that sometime after the above photo was taken, a tornado damaged the south end of the depot. The damage was repaired but the depot was shortened somewhat and the south end no longer looked like it does in this photo.
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Illinois Central


Andy Zukowski posted
Illinois Central Railroad Depot in Litchfield, Illinois. It was taken in February 1965 by E Herzog.
Barry Halford: Used to ride my bike down there to watch the Green Diamond come in.
Jim Kelling posted
Litchfield Illinois (Illinois Central depot)
Andy Zukowski posted again with the same comment
Scott S Dornbirer shared
 
Lake States Railway Historical Association posted
2024.024.ICRR.01.12.08
ICRR 4038 on northbound passenger train #22 the Green Diamond at Litchfield, IL in July of 1964. George Strombeck image.
[Click the posted link to learn how to donate and/or join the association.]
Richard Fiedler shared

Jim Yasinski posted four photos with the comment: "Illinois Central Depot and Right of Way at Litchfield, Illinois."
Dennis DeBruler: Jim, your photo of the last ICG train going southbound across Kirkham Street indicates that the depot was south of Krikham because the next photo in the album shows the train passing the depot.
How much further south of Krikham was the depot?
Are the tracks running along today's Adams Street?
I found a reference that places the location here: https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d39...
But that is next to the Wabash tracks and too far north.
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Wabash


It is a lot easier to find the location of the depot if it is still standing. I wonder when this depot was built because I could not find it on the historical aerial photo.
Street View, Sep 2013

I.e. Xam posted
Litchfield IL-Wabash,1900
Richard Fiedler shared

Norma van Houten posted two photos with the comment: "Passing through Litchfield , IL."
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Ross Brocksmith posted three images with the comment:
Norfolk & Western RR Station
Litchfield
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Image Source/Credit: 
Ernest Grassel Collection
Only seen in-person in the Local History Collection
Downtown Branch of Peoria Public Library
#peoriapubliclibrary  #peorialocalhistory  #ernestgrasselcollection
From Grassel’s volume titled  SOUTHEAST ILLINOIS
Richard Fiedler shared
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All the Railroads


1944 Mount Olive Quad @ 62,500

My thanks to Bill Edrington and his comments on this post for some of this information.
Blue: CB&Q
Orange: Wabash
Yellow: IC
Red: NYC/Big Four, the depot was north of the tracks and the freight house was on the south side. The big buildings west of the depot were the Illinois Power Co.
1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP

Several comments agree that this was the predecessor Wabash depot.
Lawrence Thomas posted
The identify of this Litchfield, IL depot is not noted - probably not Wabash (brick), Illinois Central (wrong bay) or Big Four. Can anyone identify? Burlington before the tornado?


Saturday, April 29, 2023

Sand Patch, PA: B&O Sand Patch (SA) Tower

(Satellite, it was east of Deal Road and south of the tracks up against the hill. According to the topo map, it might have been about a third of the way between Deal Road and the West Portal of the Sand Patch Tunnel. But I could not find the notch in the hill.)

Because the Sand Patch Tunnel went under the ridge of the Allegheny Mountain, this tower was the summit of the B&O route from Baltimore to Pittsburgh.
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Eastbound cresting the summit of Sand Patch.
[It will soon enter the tunnel.]
Joseph Mrozek: The first time I ever visited this location I was lucky enough to catch the tower still standing. I believe that was 1999. The next time I visited a couple of years later it was gone. I ran into some nice railroad employees here a few times. They were very happy to talk with you about the railroad and they seemed to enjoy their work. It would have been great to have been here during B&O days especially during the steam era!
Darren Reynolds shared

Bob Weston posted
Photo of former CSX, Chessie, B&O SA tower at Sand Patch, Pa. The tower controlled train and helper movements on Sand Patch grade. CSX transferred the tower's function to Jacksonville, Fl. and closed the tower on 7 November 2001 and tore it down on 12 Dec 2001.

Darren Reynold posted four photos with the comment: "B&O    'SA' tower    Sand Patch, Pa."
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Ralph Hough: You would Hollar at the operator and give him your EOT number and he would dial it in his htd as you entered the tunnel and he would keep an eye on the air pressure on the rear of the train for ya till you got communication back on the other side .
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Local heading toward Berlin Branch is approaching a stop at SA tower at the summit of Sand Patch. before continuing west.
Dennis DeBruler shared
[Note the tower on the left side and the B&O colored position signal.]

Cathy Ludy posted six photos with the comment: "Frank E Rohrs at Sandpatch tower. Passing messages to the train; I believe at Foley !"
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[Good shutter work to catch these two train order pickups.]

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Darren Reynold posted five photos with the comment: "B&Os "SA tower    Sand Patch,Pa."
David Andrew Wieting: SA survived a bit longer because the mountain blocked the radio signals so they needed it to make sure that trains were not breaking in two, as the EOT devices could potentially lose communication with the head end.
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Interlocking machines

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Model board

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Old "SA" tower

BullSheet, Photo October 8, 1973, by Jim Bradley
A Morse circuit was used until the last tower it could "talk" to was demolished by a derailing freight train in May 1987. This was the last tower to use Morse. The tower was closed on Nov 7, 2001.

Robby Geck posted
B&O operator control panel at Sand Patch, Pa
Daniel Adair: It had a interior “spiral” staircase too.
John Murphy: Awesome! What was shown in the glass panels below the map?
John Rompala: John Murphy Relays.

Michael McKenzie commented on the fourth photo and Robby's post
The switch board is in the Western Maryland depot/museum in Meyersdale.

Digitally Zoomed
Michael McKenzie also commented that if you zoom in you can see a photo of the staircase. So I did zoom in.
 
James Anders posted
Since we were on a kick with towers recently I thought some folks would like to see how they look on the track charts from the late 50's for Sand Patch and Hyndman.

1967 Wittenberg Quad @ 24,000

Darren Reynolds posted six photos, all of which are redundant except for this one.
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Hear is a westbound ready to pass old "SA" tower. 1905. With the operator hanging out the window..
Photo by: unknown
David Andrew Wieting" The old tunnel was projected to be double track but the old P&C and B&O could just never manage to do it. B&O also had a grand solution, a completely new summit with a multimile long tunnel. It is so lost to history that even CSX guys didn't know about it. "Sand Patch: Clash of Titans" should be required reading of all B&O fans.
David Andrew Wieting: That was before the current tunnel was finished around 1914. The original tunnel was a single track bottleneck higher and to the south of the current alignment. It has been safely buried to keep people out of it. It was a menace to everyone and itself. It suffered from what the "Sand Patch" author called "rotten rock syndrome". The west end of the current tunnel is much further east than planned for the same reason. It collapsed and they simply daylighted it. There are also ship stack like vents atop the mountain for the tunnel.

Hemi Patton commented on David's second comment
Last I knew..... the old Tunnel West Portal is NOT buried! I KNOW where it is and got pics of it just a couple years ago!

Moses Zacharewicz posted
The original Sandpatch model board is preserved in the Meyersdale Station / Historical Society.
Rod Davis shared
Model train board from sa tower sand patch.
David Paul: Above is the map showing both tunnels in use at Sandpatch. Has anyone seen a diagram of the other side with both tunnels, at Manila?

Normally, I document bridges in my other blog, but I don't normally note overpasses. But, it makes sense to note this construction here.
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Replacing the bridge at the summit of Sand patch back in the 90s. Westbound lead units between new and old bridge.
Daniel Valentine: Had to watch where you stood on that old bridge. If a car shifted the planks, you could get launched!

Barry Trogu posted
CSX C40-8 #7541 & #7523, in the CSX-g Stealth Gray paint are waiting on another helper assignment at Sand Patch, PA. The #7542 was built in August 1989 while the #7523 was built in June 1989.  I took this photo on June 13, 1992. The Deal Road bridge is in the background.