Jersey City, NJ: Pennsy Greenville Yard and the Tridents for the World Trade Center

(Satellite)

See Railroad Terminals for an overview of the ferry terminals in Jersey City, NJ.

Go here for the WTC Tridents.

Some of the ferries went between here and the Oak Point Yard of the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad.

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy posted
Spectacular aerial photo of Greenville Yard, Jersey City NJ
James Musser: They still float rail cars from this yard. Also, on the far right of this peninsula was the Lehigh Valley facility - separated from the PRR yards by a small, semi-visible water slip. The Lehigh Valley had two Hullet Unloaders in this yard to unload foreign iron ore and ship to Bethlehem Steel. Hullets were fairly common in the Great Lakes/Mid West Steel industry, but these two, and one to unload trash somewhere in NYC were the only ones on the East Coast.
Paul O'Brien: James Musser The Claremont Terminal
Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy: The cumulative value of the real estate owned by railroads along the Hudson River waterfront in today's dollars is in the BILLIONS.
Tad Dunville: Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy by 1992 the EL had paid off their bond holders by selling any former EL property that didn’t have a blue train currently operating over it.

Charlie Smith posted
PRR car floats #648 and 562 temporarily sit empty at float bridges No.8 & 9 at the Jersey City waterfront. Photo courtesy of the Jersey Room of the Jersey City Main Library.
Bennie Briscoe shared
Paul O'Brien: Stockyards in the background.

Dennis DeBruler commented on Jack's post

Unfortunately, this is a test to see if Facebook will delete this comment because I have the audacity to include a URL that documents the source of the image.

https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4...

.

World Trade Center Tridents

Marshall Smith posted
Steel for the WTC at a New Jersey rail yard 1969.
And for scale, each one of those tridents is 70 feet tall and weighs 50 tons.
James Torgeson shared
Multiple carloads of the signature World Trade Center tridents are shown in the Penn Central Greenville Yard in Jersey City, NJ. These were fabricated by Pittsburgh-Des Moines Steel (PDM) at their plant on Neville Island near Pittsburgh. PDM used very heavy plate made by Lukens Steel in Coatesville, PA. The 50-ton tridents will be carfloated across the Hudson River to a Manhattan pier near the jobsite on a just in time basis.
Dennis DeBruler shared
Some comments that indicate these World Trade Center tridents were stored in Pennsy's Greenville Yard.
Stanley Kenny Luzarski: Wow I worked there in 1969 I was 18 years old Greenville piers located in the Pennsylvania Rail yard my dad and my uncle Steve and my brother in law Tony also worked there my uncle Steve was one of the crane operators if you look in the picture you see the Derek's on the tracks the were powerful enough to lift almost anything they ran on steam I was a rigger the steel would come in from Chicago America Bridge steel via rail we would store it here until the they want order numbers then flat bed trailer trucks we load the trucks then they would drive thru the the tunnel to New York also the big pieces we would put on barges that section you seen the photo we called it Siberia we were Longshore men we worked for Jersey Contracting Corporation.

Emil Luk commented on Marshall's post
Colorized and sharpened

 

Cide Farign posted
the iconic trident being positioned
Jason Murawski: The beams were more than adequate for the towers. They were engineered to stay stable even with 1/3 of all vertical columns being destroyed.
James Torgeson shared
One of the famous World Trade Center Tridents being hoisted into place. They were fabricated by Pittsburgh-Des Moines Steel (PDM) from heavy plate made by Lukens Steel.
Jennifer Sarb: The plates were actually flame cut into the fork shape at Lukens before they were shipped out.
I used to work there and one day we went hunting and found the original engineering drawings for them filed away with all the other flame cut drawings. I'm pretty sure they were given to the National Iron & Steel Museum soon after.
Casey Weston: That guy on the float ,at the connection ,will be welding on that for a week-solid...
Phil Jadlowiec: PDM   PITTSBURGH Des-Moines Steel
James Torgeson: Phil Jadlowiec On Neville Island in Pittsburgh!
Dennis DeBruler: Phil Jadlowiec Was that steel plant also known as Shenango Steel Works? Or did Neville Island island have two different steel plants?
Dan Thomas: PDM was either bought or merged with Chicago Bridge and Iron or CB&I today.
Phil Jadlowiec: Dennis DeBruler Shenango was at one end, coke plant began shut down in 2016, they were located at 200 Neville Road. PDM was located at 3400 Grand Ave, I think the addresses are correct.

Jonathan D. Egger commented on Cide's post
[This is somewhere in downtown Coatesville, PA.]

 

Joseph GC posted
Twin Towers under construction
📷 New York Storie e Segreti
James Torgeson shared
The famed WTC Tridents that were fabricated by Pittsburgh-Des Moines Steel are shown clearly in this view. PDM started with super heavy plate that was made by Lukens Steel in Coatesville, PA.

 

Social Park USA posted

1968. This photo, taken during the early construction phase gives a great look at the below ground levels of the North Tower, parts of the building you'd never normally be able to see.

Annotated is the concourse level, which was both street level as well as the same level on which most of the World Trade Center's indoor shopping mall was located, and the plaza level, which was home to the upper section of the towers' lobbies and was the level on which the expansive, 5 acre outdoor plaza was situated.

The World Trade Center housed 6 basement levels, which held everything from a PATH rail station, subway connections and parking facilities to a myriad of technical and mechanical equipment which kept this city in the sky functioning.

Focal Points posted
The World Trade Center under construction. (1970)

 

DogsDear posted

In 1970, the World Trade Center towers were still under construction, rising high above the New York City skyline. Designed by architect Minoru Yamasaki, the Twin Towers were an ambitious project, meant to symbolize international trade and economic power. By 1970, the North Tower had reached its full height, and the South Tower was well on its way. The construction site was a massive undertaking, involving thousands of workers and cutting-edge engineering techniques for the time.

The towers, once completed, would become the tallest buildings in the world and an iconic part of New York City’s landscape. Their innovative design included a "tube frame" structure, allowing for the open floor spaces that became a hallmark of the buildings. The World Trade Center complex was not just a feat of engineering but also a symbol of hope, progress, and global unity.

Mike Shrum: Looks like a fake photo. Where are the rest of the tall buildings?

BillyBoy Krueger commented on the above post

Uncovering PA posted
This giant piece of steel sitting outside of the National Iron and Steel Heritage Museum in Coatesville, PA once held up the first floor of the World Trade Center. This piece returned to this historic steel mill after being made here [Lukens Steel in Coatesville, PA] in the 1960s. Remarkably, many of these steel trees remained standing amidst the rubble.

Back to the Railyard

Charles Crawford posted
Whoops! The one on the left seems to be listing to starboard, or portside, depending on which way is front! lol
Charles Crawford: Now, HOW would they ever get those cars off with the rails not aligned?
Paul Strubeck: The bridge moves..
Charles Crawford: At a 10 degree verticle angle?
Paul Strubeck: Yup

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy posted ten photos with the comment: "Little more Greenville stuff-here are some images from the Historic American Engineering Record (HAER) that were taken shortly after the start of Conrail. At the beginning of Conrail, the wires were still up and energized all over the system and Greenville was no exception. Here we see photos of the gantry cranes and pier warehouses that existed at the time. Capacity of the yard was a whopping 7168 cars!"

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9, cropped

10

Comments on Jack's post

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy posted 16 images with the comment: "There have been several posts regarding Greenville Yard in the PRR group and so in the interest of "refreshing" our memory of what was there, I present this booklet released by the Pennsy to promote waterfront terminals in NY, Philadelphia and Baltimore. This one shows the extensive facilities around NY harbor including Greenville, Harsimus Cove and more."

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

13

14

15

16

So I searched the group for "greenfield" and found some more tidbits.

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy commented on a post
If you look closely at the bottom left corner of this map you will see "PRR" and the word Greenville. This will give you an idea of Greenville's relationship to Jersey City. The PRR also had Harsimus Cove Yard and the passenger ferry at Exchange Place JC but the were farther north of Greenville.

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy commented on a post
Another map showing location of Greenville Yard. At one time G'ville was electrified and trains originated and terminated there from places like the Midwest and Chicago. BIG perishable market served by the SIX carfloats across the bay.

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy posted
View of the Greenville barge transfer- the Greenville section is south of downtown Jersey City NJ

Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy posted two photos with the comment: "PRR carfloat derailment at Greenville with a poor shot of a wreck derrick that served the event. From the JW Barriger collection."

1

2

Seven of the twelve photos posted by Jack Bobby Lou Mulreavy with the comment: "Archival photos from Railway Age showing various float bridges and yards around NY Harbor including NH Oak Point, LIRR Bay Ridge and Hunterspoint, PRR Greenville and Harsimus Cove. Also some rare images of the earlier float bridges at Greenville."

c

d

e

f

g

(5:05 video)