Sunday, April 30, 2023

Litchfield, IL: Big Four, CB&Q, IC and Wabash Depots

Big Four: (PhotosSatellite, south of Edwards Street and between Jefferson & State Streets)
CB&Q: (PhotosSatellite, northeast quadrant of Union Avenue and the tracks)
IC: (Photos; Satellite)

The Big Four and IC routes are abandoned, but BNSF and NS still run through the town.
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Big Four


Jacob Hortenstine posted
New York Central Litchfield Illinois
Sam Anthony: worked extra in Litchfield on Wabash depot, also a brick depot, double main north and south. agent was named George if I remember right. sold tickets for passenger trains in early /mid 60 s.
John LaRochelle: George Gregory, Seniority date August 30th 1917, a real old timer with 52 years service in 1969.
Bill Edrington: I knew George Gregory well. I used to hang out with him at the depot when I was a kid. After he retired, he studied archaeology at SIU-Edwardsville and went on "digs" with the other students, who were all still in their teens and 20s. Remarkable guy.

Bill Edrington commented about the Big Four Depot: "Litchfield was located on the "Old Line", the original route of Big Four predecessor Terre Haute & Alton Railroad.  It was downgraded to branch line status in 1905 with the opening of the "Short Line" cutoff via Livingston.  The old passenger platform at Litchfield, and the sidewalk leading to the depot from Edwards Street, are still visible today even though the railroad is long gone."

There has been a lot of construction in the area of the Big Four Depot and sove of the platform is either gone or corverd.
Satellite

So I fired up Google Earth. The above image is from Sep 2022. The previous image shows the dirt-covered platform just north of the long building in the middle.
Google Earth, Oct 2020

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CB&Q

 
Jacob Hortenstine posted
CB&Q depot 1955 Litchfield Illinois
John David Mitchell Jr: This depot was not a CB&Q design. It was a Jacksonville & Southeastern (Jax Line) design.
Bill Edrington: Roy Heberer was the Q agent in Litchfield in the mid-1960s. I spent many happy hours hanging out at this depot back in those days. The era of heavy northbound coal traffic out of southern Illinois on this line was over, and normally only daily freights #73 and #66 came through. Later in the decade the joint CB&Q-CNW unit train coal move from Sesser, IL to Oak Creek, WI (interchanged at Virden) began. The BN merger; new run-through agreements with the Southern (over Centralia) and L&N (over Woodlawn); abandonment of the BN's Concord-East St. Louis line via White Hall; and the opening of the Cook Terminal rail-barge facility for Powder River Basin coal near Metropolis all brought much new business to this line and it is an important BNSF route today.
Dennis DeBruler: Where was it? Just north of Union Street and east of the mainline?
Bill Edrington: Dennis DeBruler - Yes. It was on the east side of the tracks and faced Union Avenue. BNSF now has a steel building in the same general area but a little farther east of the tracks, which I believe is used by MofW and signal personnel.
Jacob Hortenstine: do you know when the railcar quite running that line?
Bill Edrington: Yes. The "dinky" made its last run from Beardstown to Herrin and back on April 27, 1957.
Bill Edrington: My dad could remember when one of the new Burlington Zephyrs was on display at Litchfield in the 1930s. I remember riding a steam excursion behind CB&Q #4960 from Litchfield to Sorento in 1963, when I was in 5th grade. I should also mention that sometime after the above photo was taken, a tornado damaged the south end of the depot. The damage was repaired but the depot was shortened somewhat and the south end no longer looked like it does in this photo.
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Illinois Central


Andy Zukowski posted
Illinois Central Railroad Depot in Litchfield, Illinois. It was taken in February 1965 by E Herzog.
Barry Halford: Used to ride my bike down there to watch the Green Diamond come in.
Jim Kelling posted
Litchfield Illinois (Illinois Central depot)

Jim Yasinski posted four photos with the comment: "Illinois Central Depot and Right of Way at Litchfield, Illinois."
Dennis DeBruler: Jim, your photo of the last ICG train going southbound across Kirkham Street indicates that the depot was south of Krikham because the next photo in the album shows the train passing the depot.
How much further south of Krikham was the depot?
Are the tracks running along today's Adams Street?
I found a reference that places the location here: https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d39...
But that is next to the Wabash tracks and too far north.
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Wabash


It is a lot easier to find the location of the depot if it is still standing. I wonder when this depot was built because I could not find it on the historical aerial photo.
Street View, Sep 2013


All the Railroads


1944 Mount Olive Quad @ 62,500

My thanks to Bill Edrington and his comments on this post for some of this information.
Blue: CB&Q
Orange: Wabash
Yellow: IC
Red: NYC/Big Four, the depot was north of the tracks and the freight house was on the south side. The big buildings west of the depot were the Illinois Power Co.
1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP

Saturday, April 29, 2023

Sand Patch, PA: B&O Sand Patch (SA) Tower

(Satellite, it was east of Deal Road and south of the tracks up against the hill. According to the topo map, it might have been about a third of the way between Deal Road and the West Portal of the Sand Patch Tunnel. But I could not find the notch in the hill.)

Because the Sand Patch Tunnel went under the ridge of the Allegheny Mountain, this tower was the summit of the B&O route from Baltimore to Pittsburgh.
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Eastbound cresting the summit of Sand Patch.
[It will soon enter the tunnel.]
Joseph Mrozek: The first time I ever visited this location I was lucky enough to catch the tower still standing. I believe that was 1999. The next time I visited a couple of years later it was gone. I ran into some nice railroad employees here a few times. They were very happy to talk with you about the railroad and they seemed to enjoy their work. It would have been great to have been here during B&O days especially during the steam era!
Darren Reynolds shared

Bob Weston posted
Photo of former CSX, Chessie, B&O SA tower at Sand Patch, Pa. The tower controlled train and helper movements on Sand Patch grade. CSX transferred the tower's function to Jacksonville, Fl. and closed the tower on 7 November 2001 and tore it down on 12 Dec 2001.

Darren Reynold posted four photos with the comment: "B&O    'SA' tower    Sand Patch, Pa."
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Ralph Hough: You would Hollar at the operator and give him your EOT number and he would dial it in his htd as you entered the tunnel and he would keep an eye on the air pressure on the rear of the train for ya till you got communication back on the other side .
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Local heading toward Berlin Branch is approaching a stop at SA tower at the summit of Sand Patch. before continuing west.
Dennis DeBruler shared
[Note the tower on the left side and the B&O colored position signal.]

Cathy Ludy posted six photos with the comment: "Frank E Rohrs at Sandpatch tower. Passing messages to the train; I believe at Foley !"
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[Good shutter work to catch these two train order pickups.]

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Darren Reynold posted five photos with the comment: "B&Os "SA tower    Sand Patch,Pa."
David Andrew Wieting: SA survived a bit longer because the mountain blocked the radio signals so they needed it to make sure that trains were not breaking in two, as the EOT devices could potentially lose communication with the head end.
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Interlocking machines

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Model board

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Old "SA" tower

BullSheet, Photo October 8, 1973, by Jim Bradley
A Morse circuit was used until the last tower it could "talk" to was demolished by a derailing freight train in May 1987. This was the last tower to use Morse. The tower was closed on Nov 7, 2001.

Robby Geck posted
B&O operator control panel at Sand Patch, Pa
Daniel Adair: It had a interior “spiral” staircase too.
John Murphy: Awesome! What was shown in the glass panels below the map?
John Rompala: John Murphy Relays.

Michael McKenzie commented on the fourth photo and Robby's post
The switch board is in the Western Maryland depot/museum in Meyersdale.

Digitally Zoomed
Michael McKenzie also commented that if you zoom in you can see a photo of the staircase. So I did zoom in.
 
James Anders posted
Since we were on a kick with towers recently I thought some folks would like to see how they look on the track charts from the late 50's for Sand Patch and Hyndman.

1967 Wittenberg Quad @ 24,000

Darren Reynolds posted six photos, all of which are redundant except for this one.
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Hear is a westbound ready to pass old "SA" tower. 1905. With the operator hanging out the window..
Photo by: unknown
David Andrew Wieting" The old tunnel was projected to be double track but the old P&C and B&O could just never manage to do it. B&O also had a grand solution, a completely new summit with a multimile long tunnel. It is so lost to history that even CSX guys didn't know about it. "Sand Patch: Clash of Titans" should be required reading of all B&O fans.
David Andrew Wieting: That was before the current tunnel was finished around 1914. The original tunnel was a single track bottleneck higher and to the south of the current alignment. It has been safely buried to keep people out of it. It was a menace to everyone and itself. It suffered from what the "Sand Patch" author called "rotten rock syndrome". The west end of the current tunnel is much further east than planned for the same reason. It collapsed and they simply daylighted it. There are also ship stack like vents atop the mountain for the tunnel.

Hemi Patton commented on David's second comment
Last I knew..... the old Tunnel West Portal is NOT buried! I KNOW where it is and got pics of it just a couple years ago!

Moses Zacharewicz posted
The original Sandpatch model board is preserved in the Meyersdale Station / Historical Society.
Rod Davis shared
Model train board from sa tower sand patch.
David Paul: Above is the map showing both tunnels in use at Sandpatch. Has anyone seen a diagram of the other side with both tunnels, at Manila?


Friday, April 28, 2023

Hyndman, PA: B&O (Q) Tower and Depot

Tower: (Satellite, southeast quadrant of creek and tracks. The helper yard was on the other side of the tracks.)
Depot: (Satellite?, the street view driver did not go on Market or 2nd Ave.)

Darren Reynolds posted
"B&Os Eng- 3762 eastbound passing "Q" tower    (Hyndman,Pa.) Next stop Cumberland Maryland...    Photo by: Geoff Hubbs. June 1978"
Doug BaerSandpatch grade at Hyndman. Bottom of grade. That is why smoke is coming off of the brakes.
Mark Ponton shared
[A nice view of signaling pipelines.]
Darren Reynolds posted
Descending Sand patch grade passing Q Tower (Hyndman,Pa.)on June,1978 next stop Cumberland, Maryland...And look at that brake shoe smoke...
Photo by: Geoff Hubbs
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Good overview of Q tower and the helper station in the background, at Hyndman Pa. Eastbound is just coming off of Sand Patch grade.

Nate Beal posted
One of my favorite pics that my dad took. Helpers at Q Tower. Hyndman, PA. 1982. Richard Beal photo.
Long gone. I think Q got torn down in 2017?
Randall Hampton shared
William Poole: Looks like the towers sporting a window unit air conditioner.
Joseph Zebrowski: William Poole That thing sticking out the front is a train order board. It has a light bulb attached, when lit indicates that a train must stop to receive an order. I believe they were unique to the B&O.
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
Helper on the rear, this westbound is notching up as it passes Q tower in Hyndman. Ahead is the grueling twenty miles to the top of the east slope of Sand Patch. Helper on right has already been called, and will soon be shoving another westbound.
Tim Shanahan shared
 
Greg Smith posted
Q Tower Hyndman Pa, 10/97

Bob Weston posted
B&O "Q" tower located near Hyndman, Pennsylvania painted in Chessie System gray. Looked better in B&O's buff with black trim. Thomas Underwood photo, taken 20 June 1982. Photo found on Flikr.
 
Bill Rettberg Jr. posted
What it looked like as power was coming out of the helper station at Hyndman Pa. It would run up to Q tower, back down eastbound main to a place called Slip Rock, where it would cross over in back of westbound it was to shove, and away we go.

James Anders posted
Since we were on a kick with towers recently I thought some folks would like to see how they look on the track charts from the late 50's for Sand Patch and Hyndman.
 
Curtis J. Walters posted five photos with the comment:
A day trip to Hyndman, Pennsylvania and I stopped by Q Tower and Mr. Frank Rohrs invited me in and a nice surprise was armstrong levers still being used in 1991.
I had to take a photo of a train passing the "Summit of the Alleghanies" marker!
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Jackson-Township historical preservation posted
B & O (Baltimore & Ohio) Railroad Station in the town of Hyndman, Bedford County in 1910.
Scotty Fahnestock shared
 
Jackson-Township historical preservation posted
Double Railroad Bridges for the B & O (Baltimore & Ohio) Railroad in the town of Hyndman, Bedford County in the early 1900's.
Paul Manges: These two spans were replaced by a single two track span in 1910 which is still standing. [Bridge Hunter dates the replacement as 1916.]
Scotty Fahnestock shared

Darren Reynolds posted
B&Os "Q" Tower.. Hyndman,Pa.    Photo by: Geoff Hubbs    June/1978
Jimmy Echard: On the tower level, it looks like a radio speaker to the left and isolators for the telegraph system towards the middle right?

Darren Reynold posted four photos with the comment: "B&O    "Q" tower    Hyndman,Pa."
David Andrew Wieting: When did the stairway get remodeled? Was that a Chessie change or early CSX. I also see that the crossover was removed near the tower, when that did happen? Did a derailment precipitate the removal, and if so, did that also result in the change to the stairway? I am sure a lot of fans and modelers could use that information, for the record.
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Fred Marlin: It got shrunk.
[I don't know if it is smaller, but it sure has a lot fewer windows and the stairwell was changed.]

This shows that it was just south of Wills Creek.
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Images from North American interlockings states A to Z and Canada

Darren Reynolds posted four photos that are a repeat of the above.
Darren Reynolds posted the above four photos again.

Darren Reynolds posted three photos with the comment: "B&Os "Q" tower (Hardman) West Virginia."
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"Q" tower was one of the bigger towers on the mountain Sub.Div. (about the size of "Z" tower)
It had a coal stove Until the end. The railroad didn't take care of this tower as they did with other towers.
Photo by:Dan Killinger

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WM Eng-6260 and B&O Eng- 4034 westbound at
"Q" tower 1984
Photo by: D.Scott Seders

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Photo by: James Trivett
All images from North American interlockings States A to Z and Canada..

Randy Voith commented on Darren's post
Here’s the tower in June 1956, with an eastbound passenger train. Photo by my dad, George Voith.

You can't see a water tower, but with a standpipe you know one was located here.
Pete Zimmerman posted
BO, Hyndman, Pennsylvania, 1953
Baltimore and Ohio Railroad 2-10-2 steam locomotive no. 6119 taking water at Hyndman, Pennsylvania, on August 6, 1953. Photograph by Donald W. Furler

Doug Kroll posted
In the late summer of 1984 the B&O mainline over Sand Patch suffered extensive flooding that closed the line for a time. The line had been reopened, but reconstruction efforts continued as here along Willis Creek where fill material is being dumped to rebuild the washed out roadbed on October 15, 1984.
Mark Ponton: I believe that was the same flood that destroyed Hyndman, PA.
Mark Ponton shared
Ronald Baer: A lot of good men worked.very hard and long hours to get trains running on one track 2nd track took several month longer to complete! Had good leadership with Mr. Hardy and Joe Bippus to coordinate the massive effort! Lot of great Foreman and track man doing all they could. I am glad I was part of that group.

3:08 video
Darren Reynolds shared

This 1:16 video shows a steam locomotive pulling its eastbound train up to some helpers and then a westbound train rolling past the tower.