Attica, IN: Gravel Pit and Steam Powered Equipment

(Satellite, the land is now the Badlands Off Road Park)

Jeffrey Bossaer posted six pictures of a gravel pit operation with the comment: "The large gravel pit south of Attica, Indiana was always served by the Wabash Railroad. It was on the branch line to Covington. Pictures courtesy of the Linden Depot Museum."
Jeffrey posted again

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The scars left by the operation have been turned into an asset as the Badlands Off Road Park. The branch line still goes through Attica and past an ADM Grain Elevator.

Was this the same gravel pit? I know the C&EI had some tendrils into Indiana. But I can't find Attica on any of their maps. The oldest topo map available is 1953, so that is not going to help find the CA&S.

Jeffrey Bossaer posted four photos with the comment: "A north and south railroad in Warren County, Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad many years until 1921, then Chicago Attica and Southern Railroad, 1922-1946. A local history magazine article, the gravel pit near Kickapoo, and train wrecks near Kickapoo."

Jeffrey Bossaer shared

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Ron Mahoy posted
Old railroad “filling tower” in what I think was a sand quarry at one time…

In repsponse to Ron's post above, Jeffrey Bossaer put together a couple of posts of images for the Indiana Railroads & History Group: 17 images about the branch and and 11 images about the gravel pit that is now the Badlands Off Road Park.

Romulus, MI: Junction Tower: Wabash & PM Union Station and CSX/PM vs. NS/Wabash

(Satellite)

Peter Dudley shared
Here's a c. 1930s (?) view of the east / west Wabash Railway mainline at Romulus Junction, where the north / south Pere Marquette Railway (PM) crossed at right angles (J.M. Cave photo).
Today's Norfolk Southern Railway / CSX Transportation double-track rail lines still cross here, but the depot and the interlocking tower are long-gone.
Some favor a railroad park here.

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Doug Hefty posted

Photo credit:  Mark Hinsdale

🎶"Blinded by the light...."🎶 I've noticed Romulus is one of the most-photographed locations on the Michigan Division, and Mark got this nice shot of a northbound passing the tower in February 1979.  Unfortunately, the tower operators' days are numbered here and the tower will close in a few months -- September 1979.  If you look to the left of the train you can see part of the new cantilever and signal mast as part of the installation to automate the interlocking.  Before the changeover, a panel on our CTC concole in Saginaw was modified to include the switch to double track and associated signal icons.  A signal coded-in by us north or south did not line in the field until our train was on the approach -- around New  Boston for NB and around Palmer Rd Wayne for SB (provided Wayne Jct was lined).  In the meantime, N&W could get the signal if they beat us to the punch.  The days are also numbered for N&W.  In July 1980, N&W would be folded into Norfolk Southern.  I missed working with the operators at Romulus after the tower closed, no longer hearing them announce "Romulus--northbound!"

Mark Hinsdale: Life-long friend Erick Facknitz trying to “exit, stage left,” from the picture. Erick dispatched for many years at GTW, in Pontiac and Troy. Mostly the 2nd Trick, “TD-2” position.

Tim Shanahan shared

Romulus Michigan

Jim Kelling shared

Romulus Michigan (C&O/Wabash crossing)

Charlie Whipp posted

First of all, most of my railfan friends know from first glance where this was taken. I wrote the caption for Flickr keeping in mind many out of State and overseas folks that have never set foot in Michigan and know that Romulus was the first king of Rome but have never heard of Romulus, MI. That said, I simply pasted my Flickr caption here because being basically lazy, I didn't want to write another one

"One of the slides that were a little difficult to scan I recently picked out to is this one, taken at Romulus, MI MP 19 (From Detroit) on the ex-Wabash main line that stretched between St. Louis and Detroit, then into the Buffalo gateway via CN trackage rights through Ontario.

The 3483 is an ex-Wabash GP7 that I caught on a quick stop on a circle trip that I used to enjoy taking in south eastern Michigan that hit as many towers as I could in a day. I usually spent a limited time at each spot, moving on if there wasn't anything happening. The sun obviously wasn't in the greatest position for this photo but I'm glad that I decided to snap it. It shows the old Wabash depot that would burn a few years later, Romulus tower not lasting too much longer after the depot went by the wayside.

With a little fiddling around in Photoshop, I was able to bring out some details in the shadows that only Kodachrome could have rendered. 11-6-1975." Yesterday's Flickr photo

Charlie Whipp shared

CSX/C&O/PM is the north/south route. Building I-94 must have gutted what was between I-94 and the Wabash tracks so Goddard no longer crosses the tracks. We are looking west along the Wabash. Historic Aerials indicates the buildings were removed between 1973 and 1999.

Mark Hinsdale posted

"Run Through"

Back in the 1960's and 70's, a railroad's locomotives didn't often leave home rails, except in a few exceptional and specially arranged circumstances. So, when Nortolk and Western started operating foreign power to and from Detroit, by way of its western connections in Kansas City and St. Louis, it was a notable event for local railfans. Over time, of course, the standardization of radio technology, accounting methods and the locomotives themselves, brought us to where we are today, with power from any given railroad just as likely to be seen far from "home" rails as it is on it's owning road. It wasn't always that way, though, and I recall being pumped whenever an encounter on N&W (or other lines) would yield a photograph of "exotic" power not often seen where I lived. A case in point: a westbound N&W merchandise train blasts across the Chesapeake & Ohio's Toledo Subdivision at Romulus MI, two days before Christmas in December, 1978, led by a pair of Southern Pacific and SP subsidiary Cotton Belt units. Union Pacific power was also regularly observed on this former Wabash main line. December, 1978 photo by Mark Hinsdale.

Mark Hinsdale posted

Mark Hinsdale posted
A high nosed GE U28B in charge, a westbound Norfolk & Western manifest train is crossing Chessie System's Saginaw to Toledo main line at Romulus MI, on the former Wabash in March, 1975.  The Romulus depot visible to the far right did not have long to live, it was demolished within a year.  March, 1975 photo by Mark Hinsdale.
Mark Hinsdale shared

Marty Bernard posted six photos with the comment:

Bill Howes spent some time at Romulus, MI the afternoon of August 25, 1972. Romulus is where the C&O and N&W (now CSX and NS) cross and is about 25 miles west and a little south of Detroit.
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The N&W Local about to cross the C&O. N&W 1366 was a high hood GP 40. Bill Howes photo
Winston Beech Classic ball herald fade on locos from this time period. The herald was solid yellow with the inverse half moon logo painted over it - when it faded you just got the "sunshine" version. Most common on GP40s for some reason. I did that on my 1349.

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2 and 3. The N&W Local switching the C&O interchange.

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2 and 3. The N&W Local switching the C&O interchange.
Ray Schloss Omg remember when boxcars looked this clean.
[And the "green light" in the O of SOUTHERN.]

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The N&W Local again at the Tower. Bill Howes photo
Dennis Holmes Wow. Cool old '68 Ford Country Squire!

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An N&W westbound manifest about to cross the C&O ~2 PM. The leader, N&W 8532, was a high hood U30B. Bill Howes photo
John W. Lyon Probably DK13

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An N&W westbound manifest about to cross the C&O ~2 PM. The leader, N&W 8532, was a high hood U30B. Bill Howes photo
Bob Finan James -ex Wabash streamlined cupola caboose #2808.
Mark Hinsdale Passing Romulus (MI) Tower westbound, crossing C&O.
Colin 't Hart https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=133810
Winston Beech Class C18 caboose; made by OMI in brass and Wright Track in resin.

Jeff Mast posted
Jumping way back again to Romulus, Michigan - September 6, 1975 and there are more flowers than sunshine, however this N&W train KD-12 (Kansas City to Detroit) was doing the best to set some land speed record as usual on the former Wabash. The diamond with the C&O was in pretty bad shape, being "low" and I was really surprised how fast this eastbound was approaching. I see the tower operator Harry who would usually watch trains from the middle landing on the stairs, had the same idea I had which was get ready to run in case the train decided to distribute itself across downtown Romulus.
[And another view of the depot. Did they move the depot to make room for the double track?]

Roger Riblett shared

Comments on Jeff's post

5 photos, the first one shows the signaling pipelines being scrapped

Attica, IN: Old Aerial Views and 1873 Map

(Update: Jeffrey reposted these two photos and added a couple of old maps.)

Jeffrey Bossaer posted two photos with the comment:

1869 aerial view of Attica, Indiana showing the main line railroad built in about 1855, the wood covered bridge across the Wabash River, and spur through town to Mill Street. Everything is now as it was then except the bridge is a more modern design and the spur extends all the way to the south edge of town to a large grain facility.

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Railroad spur to Mill Street in red, Wabash and Erie Canal in yellow. The railroad put the canal out of business by the early 1870's, so in 1881 a railroad was built on the canal towpath from Attica to Covington. It operated until 1932 to Covington and to the gravel pit south of Attica until the 1970's. This branch line never made a connection in Covington, but connected to two other railroads in the vicinity of Mill Street in Attica. The depot is at the Fourth Street crossing at the north edge of town, nearly cut off in this picture

Jeffrey Bossaer posted
This undated map of Attica, IN shows the Indiana North and South Railroad possibly connecting with the (Wabash Railroad) at Mill Street. Notice this was before the north and south railroad was extended across the Wabash River and on further northward, and before the Wabash and Erie Canal ceased operating about 1875. After the canal was abandoned the railroad branch to Covington was built on the towpath in 1881. I'm guessing this map to be 1873.

Was Neilson Junction: BNSF/CB&Q vws. UP/C&EI

A previous post already had the two photos that were in this post. Someday I'm going  to start deleting my stubs.

Danville, IL: CSX/.../Big Four (Egyptian) Lyons Railyard, Coal Dock, Water Towers & Roundhouse and Hobbs Tower

Actually, the yard is south of Danville. It is so long that it passes by two small towns: Hegeler and Belgium. Satellite images are below.

Coal towers used a bin elevator or skip hoist to raise the coal into the coal storage bin. An alternative was the coal dock where the coal was raised by shoving the cars up a ramp.

New York Central System Historical Society posted

Evie N Bob Bruns posted
NYC 7612 at Lyons yard (Danville) 6/25/1950

Satellite

This remnant of the Egyptian line is still used today. Lyons Yard is gone, but it is still mostly "brownland" east of the mainline between Spelter Ave. in Hegeler, IL, and Hickman St. in Belgium, IL. with Lyons St. crossing its middle.

1940 Aerial
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The engine servicing facilities starting with the roundhouse were just south of Lyons St.

1940 Aerial Photo from ILHAP

Satellite

You can still see traces of some stalls and the western half of the turntable.

Eric Berg posted three photos with the comment: "New York Centrals Hobbs tower located on the south end of Lyons yard in Danville, Illinois.  All taken on May 30th, 1919 by an unknown photographer.  Probably NYC Company shots...."

Seth Lakin: It was 200 feet south of Hickman St, on the south end of Lyons yards according to valuation maps.

James Kehn: I call this a 2X style stilt Big Four tower. Note the stairway entrance on the side. It goes straight into the door and doesn't hug the side of the building like most. I wrote a two- part article on building a similar tower in O scale in NYC MODELER e-zine back in 2018.

Rick Giles: James Kehn Variations on a theme. I never noticed the pronounced overhang of the cabin over the legs of the support structure on the 2X size towers. Gives it even more of a spindly appearance than usual. Really makes the tower look like it wouldn't take much to make the whole thing collapse. The larger 3X and 4X towers don't seem to have that from what I've seen in photos.

Seth Lakin: During WWI the US government “nationalized” all of the country’s railroads in 1917. Part of the deal is that they would be returned to the private companies with in 24 months of peace in the same condition as when they were taken. Part of that was a valuation survey was conducted on every inch of the county’s railroads. Track diagrams were taken, all structure sketched and larger ones photographed. It appears that these photos are part of that survey.

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Chicago, IL: Schwinn Bicycle Factory

The first bicycles were built in a building on the northwest corner of Lake and Peoria Streets in 1895. [Chicagology]

A history and several images

3D Satellite

The "Interesting Chicago" video I came across was painful to watch and had very little information.
But the video below does have some interesting film of factory operations. And a comment on that video provided an address which I used to get the 3D satellite view.

The Facebook posting did have a comment of interest:
TIm Bostedt: Schwinn Management was in this building, the first 10 or so parking spots on Courtland had the Names of all the Schwinn Family Members. The main Manufacturing plant was one block south and one block east. There is a Chicago Public High School there now.

JENDALL7142 years ago

Trade Secret, other than the frame, The Wald Company made a lot of Schwinn's parts, handlebars, stem, and fenders. The Grips were made by the Hunt and Wilde Grip company! Wald actually made a lot of parts for most of the big name bicycle companies in those days! To this day Wald still makes the same parts, but not for any one company anymore, they actually sell their parts to the general public now since most of the companies are overseas. If anyone is looking to restore an old bicycle, don't spend hundreds of dollars buying "original" parts that are in horrible shape! Buy from Wald, they still make the same exact parts and still in America, in essence it would still qualify as original parts but new at the same time!

I can believe that the building on the corner was management, marketing, engineering and other "desk jobs." But the part with a saw-tooth roof is normally a factory. And management buildings don't have a powerhouse with a big smokestack. You can still see the embankment for the industrial spur to the northern complex even though the track does not show up on the ground in the old aerial photo. I wonder what those white things are that are being stored on the embankment in the satellite photo. The industrial spur for the southern complex looks like a half-circle.

1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP

Chicagology
The modern factory of Arnold, Schwinn and Company,
1718 North Kildare Avenue
From the 1940 catalog.

In 1901, Schwinn moved its offices to North Kostner Ave. In 1908, they built a new factory on North Kildare Ave. By the 1950s, they sold about one-quarter of all bicylces in the United States. The factory made one million bikes in 1968. [ChicagoHistory] Schwinn also made Excelsior-Henderson motorcycles. They were third behind Harley Davidson and Indian when they decided to leave that business in 1931 and concentrate on bicycles.

Update:

Chicago's Extinct Businesses posted
A vintage sign of The Schwinn Spitfire. Schwinn bikes are still made, but not in the Chicagoland area.
[The comments contain some pictures of some Sting-Rays.]

Claude Diez posted

Savanna, IL: BNSF/BN/CB&Q Railyard, Roundhouse and 1913 Depot

Railyard: (Satellite)

Roundhouse: (Satellite)

Depot: (Satellite, long gone)

Freight House: (Satellite, the land has been repurposed by J.B. Sullivan Inc)

A railroad history of Savanna, IL

While studying the Milwaukee Road facilities, I noticed the CB&Q roundhouse in an old aerial photo. The BNSF has retained several of the classification/storage tracks.

1939 Aerial Photo from ILHAP

Satellite

But, as expected, the steam engine servicing facilities are gone. However, the trees have not covered up all of the land scars of the roundhouse stalls.

A closeup of the above aerial photo

Update:

William Brown posted
Not my picture of Savanna, Il in the Summer of 1939. The Milwaukee Road Roundhouse on the left. The Milwaukee/CB&Q crossing below to the left. The Wye Track for the Milwaukee's Rock Island, Il Line with five Diamonds. The ROW for the CB&Q's original Line from Fulton, Il between the Plum River and the Milwaukee's Rock Island Line. The CB&Q Roundhouse to the right. The East end of both Railroads Yards.

William Brown posted
CB&Q 245 a GP7 at the Q's Savanna, Illinois Roundhouse in early 1966. Leased NP F3's share the Outbound Track with a Q GP20/GP30 Consist. An EBay Photo.

Mike Wyatt That is an awesome picture William. I've always wanted to see an actual picture of the roundhouse and other buildings. I've been to the Savanna Historical Society but, haven't been able to find any CBQ.William Bauer I used to go to the roundhouse to yard our engines after working certain trains. It was a cool building. Savanna used to be a happening place and I'm glad I got to see it before it became a run through place.

William Brown posted
From the Savanna Historical Society Collection. A view of Savanna's CB&Q and Milwaukee Road Rail Yards during the 1965. The CB&Q Yard is on the right and dry. The Aurora Sub is slightly flooded. The Milwaukee's Nitrin Line is crossing the CB&Q at the bottom of the picture on five diamonds. This line had one turn five days per week. The boxcars in the bottom right of the picture are on the former Intrchange Tracks between the Milwaukee and CB&Q. These were active before the Aurora Sub was built. This is early in the flood as at it's peak the White Building(Milwaukee Road Depot) was completely surrounded by flood water.
Jim Arvites also posted
Aerial view of the CB&Q yard on right and the Milwaukee Road yard on left during the 1965 Mississippi River flood at Savanna, Illinois. Note the Milwaukee Road passenger depot, white building, in far left center of the picture.
(Savanna Historical Society)

 

William Brown posted
A Postcard with the Milwaukee Road Roundhouse in Savanna, Illinois.  This early postcard was from a photo taken between 1888 and 1903.  The CB&Q Aurora to Minneapolis Line is still Single Tracked with no Freight Yard.  The only CB&Q Structure appears to be the farthest buildings at the upper left.  The Roundhouse and the Coal Dumping Building.  The Granderson Hotel and the original Milwaukee Road Depot are on the south side of the Main Tracks.  They appear to be sited were the Car Department and Rip Track were located at the end.  The Roundhouse is at its full buildout.  The Brick Building in the center of the Postcard was the Rail Plant where Switch Frogs were built.  The Shed to the right of the Rail Plant is the Ash Dump for Steam Engines.  The building across the Street from the Roundhouse was a Bording House for the Train Crews.  I find it interesting that a large Wood Lot is behind the Rail Plant.

William Brown posted
On the West End of the BN Yard in Savanna, Illinois in August of 1974, the Second Shift BN Switch Engine is on the Westbound Main of the Aurora Sub. It is crossing the Milwaukee Road's Nitrin Branch Line from Savanna to East Moline, Illinois. The Milwaukee was here first. The CB&Q had to six Diamonds to cross this Milwaukee Road. Both Mains of the Aurora Sub, three for the West Yard Leads and one for the Roundhouse Lead. The Milwaukee used this Line as a Wye to turn Equipment. The Savanna to CUS Passenger Train turned every night on this track. The BN had a Switch Engine a Shift. This was because Northtown Hump was just starting Construction. All Minneapolis East cars were being Mine Run to Savanna. Savanna built the East Trains. More than likely Phil Hottenstein is the youngest Switchman on this Job.

Andy Zukowski posted
CB&Q Railroad Depot in Savanna Illinois. 1913
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Roger Kujawa posted
Savanna Illinois~CB&Q Railway Passenger Station B&W~Vintage Auto @ Depot~c1908
William Brown: This Station was replaced in the 1930s.
Andy Hughes: No doubt everyone under the sun in there- Dispatchers, agents/Clerks/Operators/track dept/Superintendent/ and his ontourage. and? I’m missing some one no doubt, God!😂
Pete Gambiani: Little to no trees back then…not sure why, but I find that fascinating.
Ron Atherton: A lot of the trees went to the steamboats on the Mississippi.

Same photo, but with some colorization.

Jim Arvites posted
View of the old Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad depot at Savanna, Illinois circa 1917.
Marty Bernard posted

Andy Zukowski posted
C.B.& Q Depot in Savanna, Illinois. 1912. Photo by C.R. Childs

Andy found a better exposure.

Andy Zukowski posted
C.B.& Q Depot in Savanna, Illinois. 1912. Photo by C.R. Childs

Looking in the other direction.

William Brown posted
A photo purchased on eBay, CB&Q 9993 is making a Station Stop at the CB&Q Depot in Savanna, Illinois. No date, but the Depot has five Tracks in this photo. The CB&Q Freight House is still in operation as the CB&Q 40' Boxcar is spotted on the outside Track. I did not realize that Train Crews and Waiters, Cooks and Car attendants changed at Savanna. The Westbound Train has an RPO as the Post Office Truck is ready to pick up Mail. CB&Q 9993 is an E9A built in August of 1954. Renumbered to BN 9993 after the BN Merger. Sold to WSMTD in August of 1972. Rebuilt by Morrison Knutson to BN 9923 a HEP Equipped E9AM. No photographer noted.
 Any help with the Train appreciated.
William Brown posted with the same comment

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1967 Savanna Quad @ 24,000

The two long shadows would be grain elevators by the Mississippi River.

Dennis DeBruler commented on Roger's post
It looks like it was at and south of Van Buren Street. And there were freight houses down around Madison Street.
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