Monday, July 3, 2023

Ladd, IL: CB&Q & Milwaukee Depots and NYC Train Order Shed

CB&Q: (Satellite, the tailings pile has covered up the depot's location)
Milwaukee: (Satellite, depot and tracks are long gone.)

If you are at this webpage because of "Bureau C: Ladd, IL: Illinois Third Vein Coal Mine", that information has been moved to here.
 
Andy Zukowski posted
C.B.&Q. Railroad Depot in Ladd, Illinois. C.1911  Photo by C.R. Childs

Andy Zukowski posted
CHICAGO BURLINGTON & QUINCY RR DEPOT AT LADD ILLINOIS 1968
Thomas Whitt shared
 
Andy Zukowski posted
Milwaukee Road Depot in Ladd, Illinois. 1910
Dennis DeBruler: The crossing is IL-89, and we see the tipple of the Illinois Third Vein Coal Mine in the background. The photo is too early to see the tailings pile that we see in Roger's photo.
A different expsoure of this photo

Richard Fiedler commented on Andy's post
Milwaukee
 
Andy Zukowski posted
Milwaukee Road Depot in Ladd,Illinois. 1979
Pat Harmet: What is special about Ladd, IL? I see lots of references on various train pages, etc. thanks
Dennis DeBruler: Pat Harmet Because of the coal mines in the area, five railroads used to serve this town.
https://towns-and-nature.blogspot.com/2020/07/ladd-il-railroad-hub-in-coal-country.html
Andy Zukowski posted
Steven Holding: Stopped in the library there back in the late '80's and the lady behind the desk said there use to be 32 pool turns out of the RH there.
Stuart B. Slaymaker: Steven Holding : BIG coal mining area, 120-100 years ago. Surface and strip mining. Coal veins were very close to the surface. Like the Wilmington, IL area.
Dustin Holschuh: If you look all the way to the left you can see a blue plastic pellet hopper spotted at the plastics plant
 
Andy Zukowski posted
Sam Blensdorf: When did they stop using this station
Jim Gambiani: Early 60's my guess by 66-67 it was office for Gulf Oil Fertilizer Dealership they also used the other Milw buildings east of there , the engine shed , car repair shop etc .
Charles Bunker shared
Mark Nieting: Later this night it got painted white with Penn Central green trim.

Andy Zukowski posted
Milwaukee Road F7A 110-A in Ladd, Illinois. 1978
Phil Johnson: Severely speed restricted track?
 
Andy Zukowski posted
Milwaukee Road Depot, Ladd, Illinois 1987

Mark Llanuza posted
Its June 1977 I'm on the Milwaukee Roads Ladd -Mendota -Janesville line .This is Ladd IL Milwaukee Road station .I went back in 2005 to match up what it looked like then .Not sure it was saved .the track is long gone.
Andy Zukowski shared
David Hahn shared
Joe Bartoli: 601 N Main Street in Ladd approximately. A new building sits in the location today.
Mark Llanuza posted
Its the year 1977 looking at the Milwaukee Rd station at Ladd IL .Went back again to my same location in 2012 to match my old photo up again and I'm sure by now the station is long gone today .This was Milwaukee Rd's north south route from Ladd IL through Mendota to Janesville Wis.
Mark Llanuza posted
Its June 1977 I'm at Ladd IL on the Milwaukee Roads Ladd to Janesville North -south route with a view of the Ladd IL station .Went back in 2003 to match up old photo. The station wasn't saved nothing left today
Ken Hejl: Looking west toward Seatonville.
This track crossed Rt89 at the dip in the road. Just north of the track that is still there.

Andy Zukowski posted
LaSalle and Bureau County Railroad passing the former Milwaukee road Depot in Ladd, Illinois. 1978

1913 La Salle Quad @ 62,500

Digitally Zoomed plus Paint
Dennis DeBruler commented on Andy's post
The pink tailings pile of the Illinois Third Vein Coal Mine allowed me to determine the location as the diaganol square in the blue rectangle on this 1913 La Salle Quad @ 62,500. The tailings pile is now so big that it covers the depot's location.
Richard Hammer: Dennis DeBruler I see the CBQ coming down from Walnut and Zerring and then the north south line going to Cherry and the the Milwaukee line coming from Mendota but I'm not familiar with the east - southwest line on the Platt labeled the Chicago Indiana & ???. Any info on that line? Thanks.
Jim Gambiani: Richard Hammer Chicago Indiana & Southern became New York Central somewhere around 1914-15 . That line is the original 3I route Kankakee Belt etc came in from south west 1901 or so . Original line was surveyed as the Streator & Clinton I have a blue print of that somewhere . That CI&S line goes straight east of there for a couple miles and stops at a junction with Chicgao Northwesters called Churchill , CNW used those tracs to come west to Ladd and then to Seatonville to a mine and grain elevator .
Dennis DeBruler: Richard Hammer Note the map in these notes:   https://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/.../kankakee-belt...

I updated the topo to include the Milwaukee Depot as red.
Updated

1941 Aerial Photo via Dennis DeBruler

Andy Zukowski posted
Photograph of two Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific Railroad Cabooses. Photograph taken in Ladd, Illinois, in May of 1952.
Richard Fiedler: That looks like a wood “Drovers Style” caboose.
Dennis DeBruler shared

Noah Haggerty posted two photos with the comment: "I believe this is the New York Central's train order shed at Ladd, Illinois. Unfortunately I'm unsure of the date, but it's gotta be sometime in the 1980's. John & Roger Kujawa Photo, Thomas Dyrek Collection."
Craig Cloud: No idea NYC passed thru Ladd
Trenton Dominy: Craig Cloud Ladd was a busy railroad town with 5 railroads coming together.
The Burlington Route, the Milwaukee Road, the Chicago and Northwestern, the New York Central and the Local short line railroad LaSalle and Bureau County railroad.
Ladd served as the end of the Kankakee Belt line relief line bypass around Chicago and sat in the middle of the northern Illinois coal fields and had additional access to the Rock Island and Illinois Central Railroads.
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This looks like another view of the NYC train order shed.
Andy Zukowski posted
C&NW local heads north out of Ladd, IL, on a Saturday morning in August, 1974. Next stop, Troy Grove. Photo by Joseph Petric
Kevin Brock: In 1975 I had my first ride in the cab of a locomotive on the C&NW in Ladd. I was driving through Ladd one morning and saw the locomotives sitting next to the old CM&StP depot. I stopped to look at the engines. The conductor invited my to ride in the cab while they switched the yard. Talking to the engineer I learned that he had been a fireman for my grandmother's cousin, Elmer Johnson, who had been an engineer on the Spring Valley branch for many years.
William Shapotkin: Pardon my ignorance, but is this train x/o the BN?
Ken Hejl: William Shapotkin Yes.
Photo looking west.
Ken Hejl: If this is the norm, all those boxcars are filled with glass beer bottles from Streator that the CB&Q brought over to Ladd. Interchanged to the C&NW and pulled at 7 mph up the branch and on to Milwaukee to the breweries.
Edward Kwiatkowski shared
Edward Kwiatkowski: I have never heard of Ladd Illinois. What part of the State is it located in? Western Illinois perhaps?

Dennis DeBruler commented on Andy's post
I knew that C&NW went down to the coal mines in Spring Valley, but I didn't know they made it over to Ladd. So I researched it. The Chicago, Indiana & Southern became part of the NYC system. The 2005 SPV Map shows that C&NW and NYC shared the route between Ladd and Churchill. 1911/11 La Salle Quad @ 62,500
Dennis DeBruler commented on Edward's comment
This area used to have five railroads. There was a lot of coal mining in around here. The 2005 SPV Map indicates that C&NW and NYC shared the track between Ladd and Churchill. 1911/11 La Salle Quad @ 62,500
Jim Gambiani: Dennis DeBruler CNW also used NYC/CIS line sw of Ladd a 1 1/2 mile and branched off to their own line to Seatonville to serve the coal mine and grain elevator . That line from Seatonville was originally built in late 1880's an the Depue , Ladd and Eastern to get coal to Ladd to connect with the IV&N later around 1900 Spring Valley Coal Co bought the Seatonville mine CNW took it over and used the line from Churchill to ladd , couple years later the 3I/CI&S built to the CNW east of Seatonville and on into Ladd . It's really something how many railroads came in and out of Ladd in those days . CNW from junction west of Ladd to seatonville was abandoned 1965-6 , the west end went through my farm . By the way my uncle worked that little shed at the CB&Q/NYC JC up until it closed it was a 24hr job in the day I used to go there at night when he worked it in 1950's


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