Wednesday, July 31, 2024

Stroudsburg, PA: Wilkes Barre & Eastern (WB&E) Shops and Railyard

(Satellite, the railroad has been gone since 1939.)

William Rogers posted
Near Stroudsburg Pennsylvania actually trying to identity the locations.
Tim Stuy: It was located where a junkyard is today. Until about 10 years ago, one of the original building was still standing. Here are the coordinates: 40.978641822983626, -75.20280481222605
Pete Putman: Connected to the NYS&W in Stroudsburg and I think the Susie-Q station is still there. Very little of the WB&E ROW survives to this day.
Don Dorflinger: Pete Putman NYS&W freight house survives, but not in its original location. The building was originally located where the former Shop Rite plaza is today. It was moved to Ann St. and is currently situated on the former location of one of the three Stroudsburg Traction Company car barns sat.
Quite a bit if the WB&E right if way still exists, if you know where to look.
Nathan Hurst: These days it's almost always non-interlaced ladders everywhere. What motivates the use of three-ways and binary tree switches for some parts and ladders elsewhere?
Rolando Maggi shared

Mike Ballburn commented on William's post
Tracks appear to follow today's I-80. Yard was across from Stroudsburg Cemetery.
Tim Stuy: Mike Ballburn The WB&E has been gone since 1939.
Robert Davenport: Mike Ballburn this version of the USGS map confirms the location of the Wilkes-Barre and Eastern station at Stroudsburg. The station was located on the “extension of fifth Street” beyond Storm Street. The current bridge over McMichaels Creek replaced the bridge on this extension. The building that once housed the VFW and now houses a surgical center is shown on the extension. The WB and E station is shown next to that building at the end of the extension.
This map also shows the switch where the WB&E sprang from the New York Susquehanna and Western.
Currently, there are two roads on the south side of route 80 adjacent to Brodhead Creek. The one closest to the creek was Storm Street; the one furthest from the street was the NYS & W.

Tim Stuy commented on William's post
Here is the track layout from 1914.

Richard Shulby commented on Rolando's share
They were located just south of the cemetery, on the south side of I-80 where Alpha Recycling is at 40°58'43.31"N 75°12'10.56"W. Apparently, the engine repair and machine shop building lasted until sometime between 1970 and 1981, and the only early building left according to a brief history is the blacksmith shop- see attached 1912 Sanborn map. The Wilkes Barre & Eastern (WB&E) was apparently a wholly-owned subsidiary of the NYS&W. GREAT PHOTO! Thanks for posting!

And the NYS&W (New York, Susquehanna and Western) became the DL&W (Delaware, Lackawanna & Western).
1942 Delaware Water Gap Quad @ 62,500

Thebes, IL: C&EI Depot

(Satellite, 6th Street was used to get to the depot.)

Andy Zukowski posted
Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Station in Thebes, Illinois.

Andy Zukowski posted
Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad Depot in Thebes, Illinois (c. 1910)
Richard Fiedler shared

Andy Zukowski posted
Chicago & Eastern Depot in Thebes, Illinois. 1982
Dave Wallace: Nice brick! .. is this original location
Dennis DeBruler: Dave Wallace I don't think you could see the river that is in the background from the original location.
Andy Zukowski posted with a similar comment
Jim Kelling shared

Dennis DeBruler commented on Andy's post
6th Street goes down near the tracks because that was the location of the depot,
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.216584,-89.4596553,243m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
 https://clearinghouse.isgs.illinois.edu/webdocs/ilhap/county/data/alexander/flight3/0bfz1040.jpg

Dennis DeBruler commented on Andy's post
The C&EI met the St. Louis Sothwestern Railway (Cotton Belt, SSW) and Missouri Pacific Railroads here. So did the IC because the C&EI shared the riverfront tracks to the south of Thebes. So all four of these railroads had trains that rolled past this depot. (Topo maps do not label shared railroad routes. I used another map to confirm that the track under the Thebes Bridge that goes North to meet the SSW+MP was shared by IC and C&EI.) 1966 Thebes Quad @ 24,000

I'm learning that aerial photos vary a lot even though I think they are taken just a few seconds apart. Note how different the shadow for the approach of the bridge is in this photo.
1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP

I got curious as to where C&EI and IC quite sharing the route south of Thebes. The answer is Olive Branch, IL. I had to go back to older topo maps because IC rather quickly abandoned this route. Also note that this map does label the route west of Olive Branch as shared between IC and C&EI.
1934 Thebes Quad @ 62,500

West Des Moines, IA: Rock Island Valley Junction Roundhouses and Depot

Roundhouse: (Satellite, their land is now part of an industrial area.)

Rock Island had a larger yard east of Des Moines.

Tim Starr posted
Dual roundhouses of the Rock Island at Valley Junction, West Des Moines IA in 1929. (George Niles Collection)

Fans of Rock Island Lines posted

1907/07 Des Moines Quad @ 62,500

1956/59 Des Moines Quad @ 62,500

Seth Wetzel updated
John Matrow: Still there but set back and repainted.

Dennis DeBruler commented on John's comment
Is this the building you had in mind? https://maps.app.goo.gl/JcRkybRzpAF6pxfq9 It doesn't look like the RI depot. Perhaps it was the Minneapolis & St. Louis depot.

Was the RI depot the rectangle that is a little east of 3rd Street? And the RI passengers had to cross the M&StL tracks to get to their train?
1956/58 Des Moines SW Quad @ 24,000

Tuesday, July 30, 2024

Hagerstown, MD: Western Maryland Roundhouse, Lost/Pennsy/CVRR, Police/WM & Lost/B&O Depots and Feed Mill

Roundhouse: (Satellite)
Pennsy Depot: (Satellite, torn down to build Walnut Towers.)
B&O Depot: (Satellite, Herald-Mail Media reused not just the depot's land, but a small B&O railyard.)

CVRR = Cumberland Valley RR

Jamie Adams posted
About four years away from the start of CSXT, Chessie System / C&O #7568 is outside the Western Maryland Railway's Hagerstown roundhouse in May 1982. - Kodachrome slide. No photographer listed on slide mount. Collection of J.L. Adams
Jeff Hammaker: CSX start date November 1, 1980.
Jamie Adams: Yes. CSX Corporation was formed on that date in 1980, but actual operations under the entire CSX 'corporate umbrella' didn't take place until July 1, 1986. Up until that time, all the roads that made up CSX were operated as if each were separate from one another.
 
Rick Shilling posted
Undated Western Maryland Railroad Roundhouse,Turntable, Water and Coaling Tower, Hagerstown, Maryland. Roundhouse was built 1939 and demolished 1999.
 
Terry B. Carlson commented on Rick's post
Rick, here is a 5-27-1989 Google Earth Image.
Location: 39.6410281,-77.7330292

Lora Pfefferkorn posted
Lora Pfefferkorn shared
Sabastian Nussbaum: J1 Potomac 4-8-4 dead center 1 H class consolidation on the right as well as a 1100 class 2-10-0 and a 2-6-6-2 on the left I think for the last.

1948 Baltimore Quad @ 250,000

1953 Hagerstown Quad @ 24,000

Lora Pfefferkorn posted
The demolition of Hagerstown Roundhouse after a 10 year battle to save it failed. City Hall always gets its way despite residents objections.
Lora Pfefferkorn shared
Aaron Sholley: What locomotive is that?
Joseph Kline: Aaron Sholley, NYC 0-6-0 6894
Brian Budeit: The NYC engine was moved somewhere for display, cosmetically restored, then hit by a runaway freight car, damaging the tender from the impact. Don't know the engines condition today, seems it received minimal repairs and the tender showed its bent frame.

Lora Pfefferkorn commented on her post
Here it is in 2019
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Pennsy Depot


John Miller posted five images with the comment: "Here is a July 29, 1967 article from the Daily Mail Newspaper regarding the demolition of the Cumberland Valley Railroad train station. Walnut Towers apartments was going to be constructed on that property."
Dave Lep shared
Jim Kelling shared with the comment: ""Hagerstown Maryland (Cumberland Valley/PRR)
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Dennis DeBruler commented on Jim's share
The church in the last image is extant: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZKmj6C7ig95xF4Ep9
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Police Department/Western Maryland Depot


Street View, Oct 2023

Michael Maitland posted seven photos with the comment: "While driving the highway decided to get off at Hagerstown and look for the old Western Maryland station and facilities.  The station was in great shape.  The original WM ROW was in the street until moved to an embankment behind the station.  The museum was closed but you could see some of the rolling stock outside.  Found the steam engine in the park a few miles away, but that was also closed. When younger would read about the yard and the Alco's pushing up Williamsport Hill to the south."
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RE Pearce posted four photos with the comment: "The current historic station, located in downtown Hagerstown MD, was constructed in 1913 by the Western Maryland Railway as a passenger stop. This 2½-story brick building with a hip roof exemplifies the Commercial Style architecture popular in the early 20th century, featuring functional design elements suited for high-traffic rail hubs. It served as the primary passenger terminal for WM trains traveling between Baltimore, Hagerstown, Thurmont, Owings Mills, and westward to Cumberland and Elkins, West Virginia.  In the late 20th century, the building was repurposed and converted into the Hagerstown Police Department headquarters, where it remains in use today."
Ellis Simon: Lot of similarities to WM station in Cumberland.
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The streetcar is beside the Hagerstown Roundhouse Museum. I think the cabooses are behind it.
Street View, Jul 2025

The museum has a big model railroad layout.
Brandi Kerns, Dec 2017
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B&O Depot

 
Ken Norris posted
[Some comments indicate it was on Summit Avenue and the Dagmar Hotel building is extant.]
Jim Kelling shared
B&O station in Hagerstown Maryland (gone)
 
John Miller posted
B & O Train Stations in Maryland and nearby (post one)
This is the Hagerstown, Maryland B&O train station located on the corner of Antietam Street and Summit Avenue. This is an artist's rendering of the station and the nearby fire company (far left) and the U.S. Post Office (next to the fire company) as well as the Dagmar Hotel. The Dagmar was a hotel that train patrons utilized when they had a layover. This is one of my favorite train station images. More train stations will be posted (possibly one each day). The post is being shared with the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad group.
The rendering would have been from the late 1920s to the late 1940s. After the train station was relocated the property first became a parking lot with an Amoco Station. Later it became the "new" location for the Herald Mail Newspaper building. Today it is the site of Meritus Park. The home of the "Flying Boxcars" minor league baseball team.

Remember When: Maryland and VA WVA  posted
B&O Railroad Station in Hagerstown MD circa 1905!
Glenn Brown shared

According to a comment, this is the Dagmar Hotel. And a Google Maps label agrees.
Street View, Aug 2024

The above topo map indicates that the B&O used to have quite a few tracks in the downtown area. I got this aerial photo to check it out.
Nov 19, 1959 @ 60,000; ARB593500500333
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Feed Mill


Street View, Jul 2024

I caught some of the feed trucks in a 2019 view.
Street View, Oct 2019

Eric M Ziegler posted three photos with the comment: "Lurgan Sub out of Hagerstown MD, servicing the grain elevator, Jan 1997."
Eric also posted these photos with the same comment.
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[I wonder if it is a load of soybean meal.]

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