Saturday, May 6, 2023

Philadelphia, PA: B&O and Pennsy 30th Street Railroad Stations

B&O+Reading+CNJ: (Satellite, southwest quadrant of Chestnut and 24th Streets)
30th Street Station (Pennsy): (Satellite)

Robert Wanner posted two photos with the comment: "The Baltimore & Ohio Railroad passenger station at 24th & Chestnut Streets in downtown Philadelphia in the early 50's prior to discontinuance of the passenger service (1958) between Baltimore and Jersey City using Reading Company and Central Railroad of New Jersey trackage rights beyond Philadelphia. Grand old ornate station sitting next to the Schuylkill River. Paul Hartline photos."
Bernie Bierman: In 1950, my (favorite) uncle sent me from NYC to Washington to deliver some important business documents. I took the PRR going and the B&O returning, which seemed to be more fun, especially the ferryboat ride across NY harbor and the bus ride. I took #8 (the "Shenandoah"), departing Washington at 5:00 PM, arriving Jersey City at 9:31, with the B&O transfer bus arriving at 10:05 at the Commodore Hotel on 42nd St. & Park Avenue in NYC. The "Shenandoah" carried coaches (of course), Pullman-operated sleepers (from Chicago), Dining Car (from Akron, O.) and Buffet Lounge Coach. The B&O timetable for that trip became one of my precious keepsakes. What a time for rail travel. Regrettably no photographs. Just my indelible memories.
Richard Maguire: I still remember my Grandfather taking me there several times as a kid. They also had a huge "O" Scale model railroad and Trolley layout inside.
Brian Alnutt: The "Royal Blue," "Diplomat " "Speedliner" (RDCs), etc., my Mom rode them to DC. Apparently B&O hired a consultant in late '50s who advised them to stop all passenger service N of Baltimore.
Warren Avis shared
Arthur House: My grandmother always preferred the B&O to the PRR for travel between New York and Washington. Her reason for choosing the B&O explained in large measure why it discontinued service on the route. She said, “I like the B&O because it isn’t so crowded.” Forced onto the Pennsy after 1958, she never stopped complaining about the crowds.
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Verine Bianca posted
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad station (Philadelphia)
Pamele Moskie shared
Jim Kelling: Chestnut street at 24th, by architect Frank Furness, demolished in 1963.
Warren Avis posted
Philadelphia 24th and Chestnut St. Built in 1888 destroyed by fire then demolished in 1963. Unknown date or photographer. My Pop would take me with him in the late 1950s to the model train club in the station.

Warren Avis posted
24th and Chestnut in Philly from another FB page. No date or credits indicated

Warren Avis posted
Philadelphia in 1927. B&O 24th and Chestnut station at mid right, PRR 30th Street not yet built. Bridge Truss bridge over the Schuylkill  takes tracks to Broad St Station
James McKee Ridgway Jr.: PRR actually had 3 bridges over the Schuylkill before 1930 Improvements and Suburban Station…
Warren Avis also posted with the same comment
Frank Webb: On the far left is the PRR junction. All the trains from Broad Street Terminal backed up over the river to re-set for their future destinations. Must have been a nut house!
Historic Philadelphia USA posted
The Schuylkill River from South Street, Philadelphia (1927)
[I did not copy the description because it was just platitudes and errors.]
Hal Stansfield: Extra points if you can properly pronounce Schuylkill. Skool-gull
Lou Basara: Some do not realize that the Schuykill is tidal to the Art Museum Dam.
Martin Wojcik: The article mentions South Street bridge, but it is not shown. The first bridge we are looking at is Walnut Street Bridge. South Street was a draw bridge (hence how that large boat could be docked near the east river bank of the Walnut street bridge). Also on the east bank is the B&O railroad Philadelphia Station between Chestnut and Walnut.

EarthExplorer: Mar 17, 1950 @ 24,000; AR1IS0000010134
Dennis DeBruler commented on Warren's share
It was in the southwest quadrant of Chestnut and 24th Streets. I noticed that the post office and Pennsylvania Station were on the other side of the river.
https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/scene/metadata/full/5e83d8e4870f4473/AR1IS0000010134/

1949 Philadelphia Quad @ 24,000

Warren Avis posted
Philadelphia, PRR 30th Street and Broad Street  station as well as the B&O at 24th and Chestnut. Oh yea, plus the LZ-129 Hindenburg

Ed Johnson posted
Zlat Zlat: It had four tracks, about, and a rather short platform extending not more than one block, perhaps to cover up to four coaches, very modest. Two tracks remain and one can just see where the others branched off. Now it is a big apartment building, 2400 Chestnut Street.

Bob Ellis commented on a post
B&O Railroad station Philadelphia
 
Old Images of Philadelphia posted
The Baltimore & Ohio Railroad station and the 2400 Chestnut Street 34-Story Apartments, 24th and Chestnut Streets, 1905 Vs. 2020. 
Philadelphia's Baltimore and Ohio Railroad station – also known as the B & O station or Chestnut Street station – was the main passenger station for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Designed by architect Frank Furness in 1886, it stood at 24th Street and the Chestnut Street Bridge from 1888 to 1963.
Ed Johnson shared

Bob Ellis commented on the above post
One for you

Someone asked for interior shots and Bernie Wagenblast provided these five photos.
1, This first is during a flood.

2, Another flood shot.

3, Men's waiting room

4, Women's waiting room

5, Staircase

Warren Avis posted
24th & Chestnut passenger station in Philadelphia. Station torn down in 1963. Photos from Vintage Philly page
 
Street View, May 2022




30th Street Station


Street View, Nov 2020
 
Old Images of Philadelphia posted
The Main U.S. Post Office at 30th and Market Streets is under construction in this early 1930s image. The Pennsylvania Railroad 30th Street Station is seen across the street.
Ed Johnson shared
 
History’s Mirror posted
The 1939 aerial view of 30th Street Station and the Main Post Office in Philadelphia captures a monumental moment in the city's development, showcasing two colossal civic structures at the very dawn of their service. [The description continues with the usual platitudes that History's Mirror generates]
F R Frankenfield Jr: All the people on the roof of the post office, makes me wonder, if this was taken on the inaugural run of the gyroplane mail delivery service 1939. Mail run was from Camden NJ to the roof of the Philadelphia post office. If I remember correctly this service only ran for about one year.

A colorization of the above photo.
Pennsylvania Memories posted
Aerial view of the 30th Street Station and Main Post Office, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (1939)
The 1939 aerial photograph shows the massive 30th Street Station and the nearby Main Post Office. 30th Street Station is one of the largest and most important railway stations in the United States. The building features grand classical architecture with large columns and open interior spaces. Rail lines spread out from the station, connecting Philadelphia to other major cities. The Main Post Office building stands nearby, supporting mail operations across the region. The aerial view shows the scale of transportation and infrastructure in the city. This area was a key hub for travel and communication. The image reflects Philadelphia’s importance as a transportation center.
Ben Cornelius: Neat photo, misleading AI swill.
The building in the center is the Post Office.
The building barely visible at bottom right, with the Kelly Green roof, is the southeast corner of 30th St Station.
The passenger rail line headed to the south, to Wilmington and Washington, is visible emerging from beneath the Post Office.
The grassy area between the Post Office and the Schuylkill River is where I-76, the Schuylkill Expressway, is today.
The Market St bridge is at the bottom, and the Market St Elevated line is still above the street, as seen by its curving trackage from its own bridge across the Schuylkill to its alignment above Market St.
John L Garcia shared

𝗥𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿 𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗻: 𝗣𝗲𝗻𝗻𝘀𝘆𝗹𝘃𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗮 and Ohio posted
30th Street Station • Philadelphia, Pennsylvania! 
1977

A different exposure and cropping:
History's Mirror posted
[Buried in the (probably AI generated) platitudes is the information that it was built in the early 1930s by Pennsy, and the photo was taken in 1977.]
Brent Keyser: Worked there 28 yrs. Historical Flood , S.River was 12 ' over flood stage ! Ruined alot Structurly and the Big Earthquake , moved and Shifted beams 2011
Stephan M. Anderman: Given the position of the Schuylkill Expressway on the right, this seems to be a view from the north looking south.
Kerry Boehm: Stephan M. Anderman I believe the parking lot is now the Cirra Center.

David Ballard commented on the above post
Currently under extensive renovation, but still home to Karl Bitter's beautiful frieze The Spirit of Transportation (1895). It originally hung in the PRR's Broad Street Station. https://www.phillyvoice.com/art-30th-street-station-transportation/

Old Images of Philadelphia posted
A remaining section of the PRT (Philadelphia Rapid Transit) Bridge that took the Market-Frankford Elevated Trains and Trolley cars over the Schuylkill River can be seen in this image. It was built by the PRT in 1905 and is being demolished in this 1956 photo. The Pennsylvania Railroad's 30th Street Station can be seen on the right.
Vince Petrovic: 30th street station is the same in a completely unfamiliar scene. It’s bizarre.
Jeff Didlake: That particular section was for the eastbound subway-surface car tracks. The Mkt Fkd and westbound structure is already gone.

Philadelphia History posted
The Pennsylvania Railroad’s 30th Street Station Under Construction, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (1933)
[The rest of the description is platitudes.]
Paul Raymond: Looks like there was a roundhouse taking shape in the foreground.
Roger Radbill: Paul Raymond the turntable had just been removed.
The Pennsylvania Railroad's (PRR) turntable and engine facilities at 32nd and Market Streets in Philadelphia were closed and demolished in the early 1930s following the opening of the new 30th Street Station. This move consolidated passenger operations and rendered the older West Philadelphia Station obsolete.
Decline and demolition of the 32nd Street facilities
Replacement by 30th Street Station: Before the new 30th Street Station was fully opened in 1933, the PRR's main passenger terminal west of the Schuylkill River was the West Philadelphia Station, which was located at 32nd and Market Streets.
Facility closure: After the new, modern 30th Street Station was established as the primary railroad hub, the older station and its adjacent engine facilities, including the turntable, were no longer needed for regular operation.
Demolition: The West Philadelphia Station was subsequently demolished. The surrounding rail yard and engine facility, which would have included the turntable, were removed to make way for new development.
James Miccolis: It appears that the High Line wasn't yet electrified.
James Miccolis: At the extreme right, you can see the Market-Frankford El crossing the river. In 1933 it was above ground until the east side of the Schuylkill River.
Mike Salvatore: didn't know Sub 1 (1915 electrification) was that close to the old turntable.

Lost in Philly posted
The Pennsylvania Railroad’s 30th Street Station under construction, Philadelphia (1933) (Colorized)

Michael Quigley commented on the above post
It’s an Awesome building! As a kid in the mid 70s, my Dad worked in Penn Tower in n the 4th floor. I got to run all over that station! Even got to ride the Gs!!
PENN Tower - 30th Street Station (4th floor), Philadelphia, PA.   Date 1952-02-22.   Union Switch & Signal interlocking machine, installed in 1952, routed electric passenger trains between the 10 platform tracks on the lower level of the station.  On the track diagram, trains exiting to the the left were headed to Washington, DC - exiting top right to Harrisburg, PA, and bottom right to New York City.
A May, 1952 Railroad Signal magazine article describes its installation and operation:   (hopefully the link works):   https://www.jonroma.net/.../Pennsylvania%20Railroad...

Rich White posted

JonRoma, p3

Rich White posted
Would anyone happen to have a catenary sectionalizing plate book for PENN (30th Street Station) interlocking on the PRR?   There are pushbuttons on the machine that, when pulled, light certain segments on the diagram with red lamps to indicate a section is without power.   But I believe the R1A,R1B,R1C, labels above the buttons would not be the designations that the PDO used.   Shown here is every button pulled - this would be a bad day for the operator if he saw so much red on the board !     This machine is in my collection and will be re-animated with PLC's to bring it back to life once I finish tracing out the wiring.   Thanks in advance!
Ron Selliers: I worked many towers in the St. Louis area but never had to deal with centenary lines. Recognize the switch levers as Union Switch & Signal.
Rich White: Correct US&S 1952 era

Rich White posted four photos with the comment: "Update on the PENN (30th St Station) machine that I've been restoring back to life.   Final grouping of signal lamps, levers, and exit arrows traced out and spliced back to terminals on north side of the machine (first photo).   The top two tracks on the right head to Harrisburg.   The bottom two tracks head to New York City.   Also threw some jumpers on to put a few trains (amber lamps) in the interlocking.   Other photos from previous week's work - and a photo of the AAR terminals in the back showing one (of seven) cut wire bundles that used to connect to the relays cases that were removed at some point.   Next step is to wire to PLC's....   only 225 input and 420 output points total!"
Michael Brotzman: Do you know what year this was removed from the 4th floor office? I heard it was still in place for some time after the tower was de-staffed.
Rich White: Was told late 90's
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Visit Philly posted
30th Street Station: where stunning architecture meets golden hour. ✨
📸: @TrevTakesPhotos
Ed Shonson shared
 
Historic Philly posted
30th Street Station (1970s)
Ed Johnson shared
𝗥𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿 𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗻: 𝗣𝗲𝗻𝗻𝘀𝘆𝗹𝘃𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗮 posted
30th Street Station • Philadelphia • Circa 1970s! 
John L Garcia shared

Debra J. Schaffer posted
30th Street Station • Philadelphia, PA • 1933
John L Garcia shared

Holly Hastings Reed commented on Debra's post
What a beautiful photo. My favorite is the statue there, Angel of the Resurrection.

May 2026:
Fraser Frazier posted
Before and After
The scaffolding is almost down at Philadelphia 30th Street, but before it's completely down, we get to see the before and after of the cleaning.
— at 30th Street Station.

Michael E Pearson added
Philly's amazing jewel of transportation, industry and architecture, 30th Street Station is now free of scaffolding!! Grab those interior shots before the next project!
[They left a dirty spot in the corner to demonstrate what this project did?]

Michael Keropian commented on Michael's post
Karl Bitter's Spirit of Transportation is there as well. Used to hang inside Braod St Station and was moved to 30th street in 1933.

Denise Storti posted
30th Street Station - Ticket Office 1931
Ed Johnson shared

Will Dicke posted four photos with the comment: "30th Street Station. Philadelphia, PA. 2/14/2025."
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Walter Edwin posted seven photos with the comment: "Philadelphia 30th Street Station."
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Jack Norris posted seven photos with the comment: "Philadelphia wanted to get the 30th Street Station waiting room done by July 4th and the FIFA tournaments. I think they done good! 6/26/26"
Jack Norris shared
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Paolo Fracassi posted
Taking the high line bypass of 30th Street Station, Conrail train PICA (Pittsburgh – Camden) looms over the nearly empty Amtrak coach yard. The two C40-8W’s still have their factory shine afte... 
Railroad: Conrail
Locomotive: GE C40-8W (Dash 8-40CW)
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Locomotive #: CR 6148
Train ID: CR PICA
Photo Date: July 02, 1992
[A lot of comments disagree that this is a PICA train. Fortunately, it is a public group so you can use the posted link to access the comments.]
 
Curtis J. Walters commented on Paolo's post
Beautiful photo, simply beautiful and thank you for sharing.
I was stationed at McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey from 1989-1993. Several times I would make the short drive to Philly and see what's happening. I took photos at the 30th Street Station when I heard a rumble overhead and "click."
Tim Shanahan shared

Pennsy had at least four stations in Philadelphia. I'm guessing this post is referring to the 30th Street Station.
Darren Reynolds posted four photos with the comment: "PRRs "Penn" interlocking 
Inside of Penn Station  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania"
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Friday, May 5, 2023

Buffalo, NY: Erie Basin

(Satellite, it has been converted from a harbor to a marina)

See Erie Canal Western Terminus for more information.

Joseph Rennie posted
Old Postcard Erie Basin early 20th century quite different. Most likely 1907-08 Lower right there is a man and a boy, center two women having a conversation. I suppose when the boats were tied up or were waiting their turn at the locks there would be visits back and forth.
Leo C. Straight: During the heyday of the canals!
Joseph Rennie: still using the old mule drawn boats looks almost idyllic.
Joseph Rennie shared
Early 20th century postcard Erie Basin
Susan Eck: This reminded me to put up my story about families that wintered in their canal boats in Erie Basin. http://www.wnyhistory.org/.../winter_canal/winter_canal.htm
 
1950 Buffalo NW Quad @ 24,000

Cari Willson posted
Buffalo 1875
 The Harbor, Erie Basin, Coit Slip, Slip No. 1 and the Erie Canal.
Louis C Carl shared
Daniel Mcmenamin: What year were the break walls built?
Mike Casella: Daniel Mcmenamin the break wall in the distance beyond the 1833 lighthouse was built 1868-1870. If this photo is 1875 out of the picture to the right you would see the 1872 lighthouse. Which became the leaning lighthouse after the Frontenac struck it in 1958.

Adrian Brisee posted
The Erie Basin terminal at Buffalo, from the 1937 book, NY the Canal State.
Brian R. Wroblewski shared
[The comments talk about two smokestacks, one of which is faint. They are both pumping stations. The faint one must be really faint because I see just the Colonel Ward Pumping Station. The other was the Massachusetts Avenue Pumping Station.]


also note the freight houses


Brian R. Wroblewski posted
Floating marine leg with lake schooner. I’m guessing at the Erie Basin.

Gene Thompson posted two photos with the comment:
Erie Basin and the mouth of Buffalo Creek… circa 1870 & today.
The foot of Erie St. is on the left… where we can see the steeples of St. Joseph’s & St. Paul’s off in the distance, and the long NY Central Railroad shed & depot below them.
From LoC - restored by yours truly.
[In the comments is information about the Ohio Basin.]
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Brian R. Wroblewski posted
Original layout of slips & piers at the Erie Basin. The Erie, Coit & Peacock slips still remain there today, although heavily altered.

Bubba Dubs commented on Brian's post

Antonia Medina posted
Erie Basin, Buffalo NY 1890. Shot off the top of the Reading RR coal wharf. Thank you Brian R. Wroblewski for location.
Comments on Antonia Medina's post

Brian R. Wroblewski posted
This one is for Marisa. It shows the old Erie Basin & the 1970s "Buffalo" design that can be seen today. Back in the olden days the marina was a detached breakwall protecting a series of slips & piers. This area was once a major transshipment point between lake vessels & the Erie Canal. As traffic thru the basin dwindled, a major redevelopment took place during the "Urban Renewal" phase of the early 70s. Everything canal & shipping related was clear cut from the area, steel sheet pile walls were driven to create the new landforms along the shore, & a large fill was placed to cut the basin off from the Buffalo River. This fill now connects the old breakwall to land & forms the basis for the parking lot, roadway, & walking path along the lakefront. The lakeward side of the old canal slips can still be seen, although in a truncated form. From the left to the right are the Coit, Peacock, & Erie slips. The two finger piers that the condo developments sit on today were originally a New York State Erie Canal terminal. This was the key that started the private to public transition of the downtown Buffalo waterfront & this development is what allowed all the spin offs like the Naval Park, Condos, & now Canalside.

Gene Thompson posted via Dennis DeBruler
 
Gene Thompson posted
Buffalo Harbor, circa 1925... basically the area now occupied by Erie Basin Marina. With the Railroad interchange and massive coal chutes at the foot of Erie St., and many landmark buildings in the background that still exist today. This is a very large image... be sure to zoom in to see all the details!
Source image from Library of Congress. All restoration by yours truly.
Jarrett Zerkowski shared

Jim Cavanaugh posted
From my Archive. A 2004 view of the Erie Basin Marina and Downtown Buffalo. The "spoke and wheel" layout of the main roads leading into the city, laid out by Joseph Ellicott, are clearly visible. The Kensington Expressway is visible to the left. Also visible in the upper left in the distance is Buffalo Niagara International Airport.
 
Paul Bauer posted
In 21 years on the Erie Basin, I never have seen two ships pass like this - one entering - Manitoulin, and the other - Capri, departing. Normally one would have waited for the other to clear. A guess would be that the tug NJ was late in coming out to assist Manitoulin and that Capri had a time slot for the Welland Canal it didn’t want to miss. (Probably wrong!!!)

Allen Murphy posted the comment:
Here's a little help for the members of the group not well versed in the boat movements in Buffalo. go to the Erie Basin & park there. They'll come right up the river past the lighthouse, Naval Park, & under the Skyway. The American Mariner & H.Lee White bear right and head to the frontier elevator at General Mills, Defiance/Ashtabula & Calumet go past General Mills to Canadian Cilica to unload sand
The Manitoulin and the NACC Capri &Argonaut go left around the old DL&W terminal, under the Michigan St. bridge, the NACC boats to LaFarge & the Manitoulin continues under the Ohio St. bridge to ADM's standard elevator.
Boats like the Algomas & CSL boats like the Niagara, Laurentien and the salties bringing sugar all enter thru the south channel and unload at Gateway Metroport on the old Bethlehem steel sight.
Hope this helps.
This is south of Erie Basin, but it is part of the Buffalo harbor scene.
Brian R. Wroblewski posted three images with the comment:
I've been doing some research on the different passenger lines & lake steamers that once called here in Buffalo. Here's a list I've compiled so far of the larger steamship lines, their more modern steamers, & the docks that they used to use along the Buffalo River.
  I'm not really sure what happened when the DL&W terminal was built because it would have displaced a few of them you see listed here. I'm also not sure about the green question marked location. 
 Passenger liner docks in Buffalo:
Buffalo River-
1 - C&B - Long Wharf near fire boat slip, Stmrs. City of Buffalo, City of Erie, SeeandBee
2 - Georgian Bay Lines - DL&W dock, Stmrs. Alabama, N. American, S. American
3 - Northern Steamship Co. - Long Wharf East of Main St., Stmrs. Northland, Northwest
4 - D&C - Central Wharf West of Main St., Stmrs. Greater Buffalo, Greater Detroit, City of Cleveland III, City of Detroit III, Western States, Eastern States
5- Crystal Beach Line - North of Commercial Slip, Stmrs. Americana, Canadiana
6- Anchor Line/GLTCo. - North end Central Wharf, Stmrs. Tionesta, Juniata, Octorora
?- I've seen pics of passenger ships like these in the Coit slip at the Erie Basin but I'm not really sure if they were docked there for passenger operations or for lay up. If anyone knows, put it in the comments.
Update: that Coit slip dock was GLT Co's the later 30s & C&BT Co's in the later 40s.
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Brad Smith commented on Brian's post
Sign stating the DL&W terminal is also home to the Georgian Bay Lines. Not sure of the photo source, suspect it might be from the strong collection.

Jim Cavanagh posted
From my Archive. Another from the November 2004 series of Buffalo's Waterfront. This view from above the Erie Basin Marina looking south-south east towards the Buffalo River and the Outer Harbor to the right.

Note the grain elevators in the background.
Digitally Zoomed