Tuesday, October 10, 2017

Hammond, IN: Monon and Erie+C&O Depot

(Satellite, it was between Condit and Doty Streets where the track curves slightly to the west)

Wayne Hudak posted
The quaint little combined railroad passenger station of the Monon and Erie Railroad at Hammond, late 1950's. Trains are gone and so is the station. A concrete slab from the foundation can still be seen to this day. C.I.L. photo

Bob Lalich commented on Pete Fileca's post
The building on Douglas [that is in the background of many Erie Yard photos] was a storage warehouse. Borden's was north of the warehouse. Here is a John Barriger photo showing both.

Bill Molony posted (CARH group)
This station in Hammond - built in 1953 - was served by the passenger trains of the Erie and the Monon.
Bill Molony posted (NWIRU group)

Wayne commented on his posting
 A Gary Wilson photo......

Wayne Hudak commented on Bill's NWIRU post
Mid to late 50's a 'modernized' sign was designed.

Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's CARH post
This topo map allowed me to identify the curve in the Monon mainline  that we see in the photo.
1953 Calumet City Quadrangle @ 1:24,000
So the depot was somewhere east of Lyman Ave. between Condit and Doty Streets.
https://www.google.com/.../@41.6124684,-87.../data=!3m1!1e3

Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's CARH post
The building in the right background is still standing.
https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m6!1e1!3m4...
The watchtower in the photo would have been for the grossing guard at Douglas Street.

Note the crossing over the Monon tracks in the photo at the top that goes to the right (east). This crossing goes to the Erie platforms that were along the tracks we see on the far right in the top photo. That Erie platform would be under the snow between the mainline tracks in this photo.
Josh Lemier posted
Here we see the Erie Lackawanna 825 flying through Hammond, Indiana with the last run of the Lake Cities on January 4, 1970.
Photo Credit To Joseph Petric.

Michael Dye posted (original post)
Since I have discovered that the information used to make my first posting of this aerial of Hammond, IN was incorrect (The C&O passenger service used the Erie depot, rather than having their own), here is the corrected version.
Here (With the photos having been taken with West being at the top), are the locations and addresses for all of the centrally located Passenger stations, as they were in 1930. This shows all stations in the downtown area, except the PRR, the Wabash and the South Shore (Off photo to the right), as well as showing structures at the Erie's 'Douglas Street Yard' (At the lower left).

Michael Dye shared

The street in the foreground is Sibley.
Mark Llanuza posted
Its Nov 1976 the Erie has already been shut down only Amtrak and the C&O use this section of the former Erie double main line track .It still had crossing gate man at downtown Hammond Ind .I went back in the year 2014 to try to line everything back up to match my before shot and now its a park.
[Street View, 3D Satellite]
Mark Llanuza posted two photos with the comment: "Photographer Don Ellison captured this Erie Frt in downtown Hammond Ind Feb 1976."

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Update:
Michael Dye posted
A photo, looking North, taken from a floodlight tower in the Erie's Hammond yard, in JUN 1957. The single Monon track to the left with the Erie's main and yard leads to the right. I believe that is Douglas Street in the foreground. [Actually, it is Clinton Street back when it still went across the tracks.]
Nice view of the layout of the Monon and Erie/NKP Calumet bridges, in the far background.
Photo taken by my late Grandfather, C.L. Coates, Signal Gang foreman, Erie Signal Gang 33.
Marty Bernard posted
1. EL - Monon Depot at Hammond, IN in July 1963. Rick Burn photo.
Bill Molony posted
Erie Railroad class K-5 4-6-2 Pacific-type #2931 at Hammond, Indiana with train #2, the eastbound Erie Limited. - Undated.
Bob Lalich Stopped near the old station on Sibley. Note the carts in the background.Jeff Holbrook Look at those drivers! They are huge. >70 in diameter? Wow!Bill Molony 79" drivers, to be exact.

Michael Dye posted two images with the comment:
The first photo is a Sanborn Fire Insurance map of Hammond, IN, dated 1915. The map shows the Passenger stations of the Erie, the Monon and the Nickle Plate, all laid out along Sibley Street.
A few interesting things are shown on this map;
A. The Yellow, shows that the Erie station was wooden (No great surprise there!).
B. The Monon station is pink, with a blue border, which shows that the station was brick, overlaid with stone. But, note that the blue doesn't cover all of the outside of the depot; part of the portion facing the Monon Hotel seems to be shown as having been left in brick (Zooming on the depot in the 1930 photo seems to support this conjucture).
C. The NKP station is shown as brick, with a large wooden overhang all around.
D. Previously, I had seen internet postings which stated that the C&O passenger station was located in the triangular building at 143-145 Sibley, beneath the Erie. This map seems to prove otherwise, as the 'S' characters inside the pink buildings shows that they were Stores. Perhaps this suggests that the C&O shared the Erie station?
The second photo is a conjoined aerial photo of Hammond, dated 1930. On it, I had annotated the location of the various railroad depots and their addresses. Comparing the first (1915) and the second (1930), it appears that the addresses along Sibley changed at some time between the two.
A. In 1915, the Monon's address was 121 Sibley, but in 1930 the same building was listed as being 423 Sibley.
B. The 1915 Sanborn doesn't have an address for the Erie depot, but it can be 'guesstimated' to be between 129 and 141, but on the 1930, the address was 439 Sibley.
Perhaps Hammond just added three blocks and shifted the addresses?
Michael Dye shared 
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Jerry Stack commented on Michael's share
Here is a "snip" from a 1930 Official Guide. Apparently the Erie and the C&O shared a station.

David Daruszka posted



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