Wednesday, February 3, 2016

Flora, IL: CSX/B&O & Aban/PARY/B&O 1917 Depot and Roundhouses

Depot: (Satellite)
Roundhouses: (Satellite)

Mark Hinsdale posted
Flora IL (Baltimore & Ohio)

This must have been a predecessor depot.
Andy Zukowski posted
The B&O Depot was located in Flora, Illinois in 1906.

A different exposure:
Andy Zukowski posted
B&O Depot in Flora, Illinois. 1906
Robert Gibson Jr.: Train on left heading to Springfield and train on right heading to Shawneetown, Illinois on the Ohio River after connection with train from the east.
Richard Fiedler shared

Andy Zukowski posted
The B&O Railroad Depot in Flora, Illinois. C.1910
Richard Fiedler shared

Satellite
He was looking East. This depot was in the northeast quadrant of the two B&O lines that ran through town.

The east/west route was the mainline between St. Louis, Cincinnati, and points east. But CSX has been removing bits and pieces of this line. Flora is on the east side of the segment they put out-of-service in July, 2015. The north/south route became the Prairie Trunk Railroad in the 70s and was abandoned in 1985.

Update:   History of the depot
Photo by Douglas Weitzman, 6-30-92
From the Ohio to the Mississippi, p 52

Dave Durham posted
B&O, National Limited, Flora, Illinois.
Scott Nauert People tend to forget how much damage is done to towns like this when the railroad abandons service or the railroad itself. Flora is now at the end of a dying branch of a once mighty system that sadly I don't think is ever coming back. Nor do I think major industry is coming back to Illinois to support a need to restore through or even local freight service.
Dave Durham A huge part of the problem is that so much Manufacturing has been shipped overseas.
Scott Nauert Dave Durham - Yes it has. But much of the online traffic in this case still exists. It would be a stretch to say it's enough to support a shortline, but who knows? CSX essentially pulled the plug on marketing it in the late 80s and one by one, customer spurs were removed.

David Cantrell posted
It was a beautiful day for a visit to the Flora, IL depot museum (former B&O railroad).
Gene Butler: Would this have been a stop for the B&O from St. Louis to Washington, DC? Did it also stop in Indianapolis, Cincinnati and Wheeling W. Virginia?
On one trip with my dad the train was stopped at one of these stations and a car or two was added to the consist. My dad got off the train stretching his legs and instructed me to stay onboard, that he would be back before the train departed. The train was moved to attach the extra car and I thought for sure dad had been left!! He knew what he was doing but it scared me!
Another thing I remembered was going through Wheling W. Virginia and seeing several tracks full of steam locomotives near the end of their lives. They were still being used on coal drags but the next year they were almost all gone, probably to the scraper.
Jack Roberson: Gene Butler This line would have stopped in Flora, Washington IN, Cincinnati & Parkersburg W Va.

I.e. Xam posted
Flora IL-B&O 

David Cantrell posted four photos with the comment: "The restored Flora, IL B&O depot is museum on the National Register of Historic Places. The CSX railroad has abandoned the east-west portion of the railway.  Inside is a model depicting the former railroad yard. The Shawneetown-Beardstown segment was removed after the Prairie Trunk bankruptcy in the mid-1980's. The engine house burnt down in March, 1951. A second engine house was rebuilt and then razed on June 6, 2022.   https://www.floradepot.com/ "
Kennard Wing: Flora was the site of a Ford promotion called Ford Town, where everyone in town was given a new Ford to drive for a period. Dwight Jones wrote about it in the B&ORRHS Sentinel several years back.
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The second floor is an event space that has that large arched window. It can accommodate up to 120 people seated at round tables. [FloraDepot_community]
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[It has a 23' long model railroad layout. [FloraDepot_model]]



Roundhouses



1952 Xenia and 1949 Flora Quads @ 62,500

1970 Flora Quad @ 24,000


David Cantrell posted three images with the comment:
Flora, IL had at least two B&O engine houses on the St. Louis line of the railroad. The first was destroyed by fire in 1951.
1st photo from picture at Flora depot, David Cantrell
2nd is 1938 Illinois Historical Aerial Photo 
3rd is 1950 Census map

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David Cantrell posted
Flora, Illinois B&O coal chute in 1949 located on the Beardstown-Shawneetown line north of the main line. The structure was obsolete with the advent of diesel locomotives and demolished soon after the photo.
Provided by Gary Martin.

Dennis DeBruler commented on David's post
It looks like it was south of the turntable and just north along the mainline tracks.


David Cantrell commented on Dennis' comment
Yes. From 1929 Sanborn map, it appears the north/south could fill up easily as well as main line.
Dennis DeBruler: You can see it in the old aerial photo, but I never noticed it until I saw the Sanborn map: the roundhouse is not round!

David Cantrell posted three images with the comment:
The second Flora, IL B&O Engine House was built in a different configuration than the first. The aerial photo shows the change. Sadly, it was razed on June 6th, 2022.
First two photos by Gary Martin.
Third photo is 1966 aerial photo from USGS Earth Explorer.

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Bonus


I spotted this caboose east of the depot while I was looking for the roundhouse.
Street View, May 2012

North Manchester, IN: Big Four Depot and Grain Elevator

(Satellite)

Jason Jordan posted
Late 1980's into the early 1990's, we are looking up Conrail's former New York Central Marion Branch at both the former N.Y.C. depot and the Kent Feeds elevator in North Manchester, IN. A Bruce Emmons photo, out of the Jason Jordan collection.

Jason Jordan shared
We are looking north on the NS's former New York Central Marion Branch at the old depot in North Manchester, IN. The photo was taken back in the early 1980's, when Conrail originally had the line prior to the NS. A Bruce Emmons photo, out of the Jason Jordan collection.

That is a rather old elevator for the 1980s. Fortunately, there is a modern elevator south of town. Unfortunately, it is no longer rail served.

Street View

My 1928 RR Map shows that a Pennsy branch between Logansport and Butler also used to run through this town. From another map, it appears that Pennsy may have bought it from Wabash.

Satellite
It looks like the depot has been repurposed, but the old elevator has been torn down and the land reused. From the tree line on the southwest side of town and the gaps and trees on the northwest side, the old Pennsy ran straight through town on a diagonal.





















Adams, MI: UP/C&NW Coaling Tower

Jerry Krug posted
Jerry's comment:
Since many group members presumably are experiencing wintry weather today, I offer a shot of a railroad structure covered in snow. This photo was taken January 6, 2003, but the tower remains standing. The track under the tower was removed a few years ago. Adams was a division point on the C&NW and remains a crew change point on the UP to this day.
Satellite

Tuesday, February 2, 2016

Neoga, IL: Junction Tower: NKP vs. IC, Grain Elevator and IC Depot

Mitch Mitchell -> Grain Elevators of North America
Mitch's comment: "Neoga Ill. Grain Elevator." It looks more like farmer silos than a grain elevator. But a steam engine on the abandoned Cloverleaf of NKP and the top of a junction tower was worth saving. The Illinois Central tracks still exist as CN tracks. The route to the east is now operated by the Eastern Illinois Railroad (EIRC).

Google Map's picture for the town includes a grain elevator in the background. Looking at a satellite image, a segment of the Cloverleaf still exists to just beyond Metcalf. Looking at a 1939 aerial photo, they kept the connector and removed the diamond in Neoga. The grain elevator is in the same general location, but rebuilt and, of course, larger.
Satellite
John P. Kohlberg posted
Neoga, IL in April of 1956. Mike Haper Photos.

John P. Kohlberg posted
Neoga, IL in April of 1956. Mike Haper Photos.
Update:
Jacob Hortenstine posted
Neoga Illinois Illinois Central Toledo St Louis and Western crossing later Illinois Central Nickel Plate Road crossing section men of both roads.

Illinois Central Railroad Scrapbook posted
IC 4-8-2 2548 highballs past the depot at Neoga, IL, in the summer of 1954 with a northbound banana train. Cliff Downey coll.
Paul Jevert shared
I.C. #2548 at Neoga, Ill. (1954)

Andy Zukowski posted
Illinois Central Railroad Depot in Neoga, Illinois. 1977
Andy Zukowski posted again with the same comment.

Linda Matherly posted
Neoga
Richard Fiedler shared

Linda Matherly posted
Neoga
Depot 1971
Richard Fiedler shared


Oswego, IL: CB&Q Depot

(Satellite, the land is now occupied by a parking lot)

Note that the train order signal mast is not just near the bay window, it is in the bay window. Also note the grain elevator in the background. This was probably the CB&Q's Ottawa, Oswego & Fox River Valley RR.

Les Nelson posted
Oswego train station, early 1900s.

Andy Zukowski posted
CB&Q BURLINGTON 210 at the passenger Depot at OSWEGO, ILLINOIS in September 1965. The CB&Q Oswego Depot was apparently demolished in 1972.
Scott Mulliner shared
Andy Zukowski posted again
CB&Q Burlington 210 at the passenger Depot or train station at Oswego, Illinois. in September 1965.
Jeff Kehoe: Our local historian, Roger Matile, says the town had a chance to preserve it, didn't get 'er done and let it get torn down about 1972.
Richard Fiedler shared
Thomas Whitt shared
David N Lammers: Down by the lumber yard

Note the old grain elevators that were a couple of blocks southish of the depot.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Andy's post
The land is now occupied by a parking lot,
 https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6844762,-88.3529809,63m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu.
1939 aerial

Andy Zukowski posted
Burlington Railroad Depot in Oswego, Illinois. 1962
Samir Syed Farukh: Torn down in 69
Thomas Whitt shared

Bill Pauley commented on Thomas' share
Another view. Fan trip photo.

Andy Zukowski posted
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Oswego IL depot
Jimmy Fiedler posted with the same comment
Richard Fiedler: No electricity to be seen. Guessing 1880’s?
Richard Fiedler shared

Andy Zukowski posted
The Oswego Depot of the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad. This photo was taken before the Depot was expanded in the summer of 1886. Stationmaster Henry Green Smith is standing at left in his shirtsleeves. (Little White School Museum collection)
Mike Samuel: Oswego’s railroad depot: Its history and how its loss spurred local preservation efforts | historyonthefox https://share.google/Cw8j6rlauSomzBAVL
My hometown... Oswego Little White School Museum info, per local historian and family friend, Roger Matile, the depot was torn down about 1972.
Larry Candilas: MP 43.3 Montgomery & Streator Sub
Thomas Whitt shared

Chuck Edmonson posted via Dennis DeBruler


Westville, IN: Wabash Depot and Grain Elevator

Jason Jordan posted, photo by Mike Albert
Here is the Westville, Indiana station, ca. 1970.
Another reminder that about every town with a railroad had a depot and a grain elevator. In fact, that could be why the town existed. But in this case the town must have already existed because these buildings seem to have been built on the edge of the city. Mike's comment indicates that this location was at the current site of the Westville Farm Supply.

I found a resource of Indiana abandonment filings, which is good because the INDOT map now seems to be broken. Evidently, N&W tried abandoning the line through this town in 1983, but was denied.
(N&W|Gary-East Line|Gary (286.63) to Dillon (203.74)|AB-10(24)|42.89|1983)
The NS must have filed and succeeded in 1989.
(NS|Gary East Line|Pine (186.64) to Wakarusa (170.24)|AB-290(34)|16.4|1989)
At any rate, the line is now gone from the Chicago-area to an industrial (grain elevator) spur west of South Milford. Given that the NS congestion was so bad on the former NYC route that it helped rebuild the CF&E route (old Pennsy mainline) that CSX got rid of, I'll bet NS now regrets tearing up this line across Northern Indiana.


Monday, February 1, 2016

Garrett, IN: B&O ALCO S-2 #9030 and "Home of the Railroaders and Locomotives"

We used to drive through Garrett, IN many Saturdays when I was a kid because it was on the way to my Grandparent's farm. (This was before I-69 was built.) I knew it was a division point on the B&O and that railroading was a big part of the town's economy. A division point means the engines would be serviced and the crew changed. So it had a big roundhouse and depot.

Jason Jordan shared
Jason's comment:
This is B & O ALCO S - 2 # 9030, it use to sit behind the former B & O depot in Garrett, IN. It was owned by the Garrett Historical Society. This photo was taken around the early 1990's. This engine was operable. By 2007 or 2008, it was scrapped. Reasons for being scrapped are unknown. A Jason Jordan photo.




In fact, I remember the high school calling themselves the Railroaders. While confirming the high school is the "Home of the Railroaders," I discovered that the middle school is the "Home of the Locomotives".



(Community School District)

Update: Jason Jordan has an album of Historical Society photos.

Rails Around Indiana posted
An image from Lee Yoder, taken in the yard at Garrett in July 1959. Retired B&O steam locomotives 720 and an 0-8-0 switcher await disposition.