Original HV Dock: (Satellite)
The C&O docks were west of Otter Creek. The docks east of that creek were the B&O and NYC coal and ore docks. All of these docks are now owned by CSX.
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| East Toledo Historical Society posted Post Card view of C & O Presque Isle Coal Docks. Coal loaders and Ore unloaders. |
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| Marine Historical Society of Detroit posted Wyandotte Chemical's Wyandotte (forground) and its fleet mate Conneaut both load coal in Toledo. Undated and uncredited press photo/Roger LeLievre collection/MHSD. Dale Pohto: Clare Gilbert This view from the Maumee River is of the remaining CSX coal loader... The three other loaders were of a dumper-style and no longer exist. The hulett-equipped ore dock was just beyond the coal loader in the foreground. Tim Carlin: Toledo, Ohio once was the largest coal port in the 🌎 Nolan Skip Raspbury LaFramboise II: Tim Carlin isn't it still the largest? Dale Pohto: Nolan Skip Raspbury LaFramboise II That distinction may belong to Norfolk, VA which typically has ships lined up waiting to load. The #4 dock is the last remaining coal loader in Toledo. |
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| James Carl Trivett III posted https://www.facebook.com/groups/CSXpastandpresent/posts/2740326182835163/ |
The C&O coal docks are in the background.
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| Barry Sell posted Upper level view of a busy Port of Toledo Collection part Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce Photograph Collection A black and white photograph of cargo ships and railroad cars lined up on the Toledo Terminal docks. Coal and other commodities are waiting to be loaded for shipment. Photo was taken in October of 1966. Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority OCT 20 1966 |
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| East Toledo Historical Society posted The Edmund Fitzgerald at the Presque Isle (C&O) coal docks in Oregon in 1965. From the new book "East of the Maumee River" Rex Ruby: My father was a tug captain and towed the Fitzgerald in and out of port many times. I was lucky enough to be on several tows with him. The tugs were docked at the c&o docks as well. |
Marty Bernard posted two photos with the comment: "And What Are These -- Port of Toledo I pretty sure Duane Hall took these in Toledo in May 1968. I bet the model railroader in him was saying, 'I can build those.'"
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| 2 [A flood loader on the CSX/(B&O+NYC) Lakefront Dock.] |
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| Andrew Dean Detroit posted "Toledo Layup" Over 3000 Feet of ship in one shot! 3 Footers and 2 articulated Tug and Barges, all down for winter layup in Toledo, Ohio. 5 total ships starting top Left - Tug Dorothy Ann with Barge Pathfinder , Edgar B. Speer, Edwin H. Gott, American Integrity, Tug Laura L. VanEnkevort with Barge Joseph H. Thompson Janey Anderson: That is the record right there!! Wow!! And what an AMAZING picture it is! How many feet in that shot Andrew Russell ? Andrew Russell: Janey Anderson I was lazy now I’ll math it out … according to my quick calculations- it’s 4,568 ft or 1,392 meters of ship in one shot lol |
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| Andrew Dean Detroit commented on his post |
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| Dennis DeBruler commented on Andrew Dean Detroit's post It looks like they are at the CSX docks. |
When the railroads came to town, this lakefront area was, at best, a swamp. They built their docks further up river. Fortunately, I came across this info for the HV dock.
Some photos and their comments in a collection identify this as the Hocking Valley Dock.
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But freighters were getting bigger. Rather than do a lot of expensive dredging of the river, the railroads built new docks on the lakefront. By 1938 C&O had built their new dock and still had their upriver dock. C&O used the Toledo Terminal Railroad to access both docks.
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| 1938 Point Place and Toledo Quads @ 31,680 |
By 1952, all of the coal and ore docks had moved to the lakefront with C&O on the left and B&O+NYC on the right.
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| 1952/54 Pint Place Quad @ 24,000 |
Boats that need just minor repairs during the winter layover use regular docks, but they pack them in two or three abreast. St. Clair (boatnerd facts) was wintering at the CSX dock in Oregon, OH when a fire alarm was sounded around 8:45am 2/16/2019 [post]. There was no one on board, and firefighters are not boarding the vessel to fight the fire. So there have been no injuries. The fire was burning from the engine room up to the pilot house and the conveyor belts also caught on fire. There were four fire hydrants in the area, but only one was working. (We had a polar vortex in the Midwest last week.) They were using tank trucks to haul water from Bay Shore. But the goal has become saving the other assets in the dock. As you can see in this photo, there is a ship between it and the dock. In addition to the boom conveyor that we can see on fire, this self-unloading ship has two conveyors under its cargo hold that run the full length of the ship. I wonder how much oxygen those two belts are getting. The conveyor belt fires were so intense that they melted. The Coast Guard did a search Sunday morning and has found no signs of pollution. (Update: Marine Recycling Corporation (MRC) started scrapping it in 2022.)
Of course, the cause of the fire is not yet known. I now wish I had saved the comment from a welder that was working on the ship. He said it appeared the fire started a long ways from where they were working and that they stop welding a half-hour before they leave to make sure their work has cooled off before they leave.
Of course, the cause of the fire is not yet known. I now wish I had saved the comment from a welder that was working on the ship. He said it appeared the fire started a long ways from where they were working and that they stop welding a half-hour before they leave to make sure their work has cooled off before they leave.
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| Jeff Plante commented on a post |
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| Myra DeCaire commented on a post |
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| USCG Photo, Saturday Night [It looks like the firetruck that we can see is focused on keeping the adjacent boat safe. I wonder how much water you can pump onto a ship before it starts to sink. Actually, a lot. These ships carry 10s of thousands of tons of cargo. Later, they will probably have to rent some serious pumps to get rid of all of that water. But a soggy ship has to be better than a melted ship.] |
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| USCG Photo, Sunday Morning [As of Monday, the fire is expected to burn for days [boatnerd-news] because the belts of both unloading conveyors are still on fire. [post]] |
Joanne Crack posted a series of photos of the fire spreading on the boat.
Andrew Haenish shared...
Clayton Healey Fortunately, the ship was not underway at the time. However, the crew, having been trained for such emergencies & being on top of it early, might have put the initial hot spot out quickly.
Not to be a speculative spectator here but if it was a welders' issue, a proper fire watch is the protocol long after welding has finished for the day. Being a Saturday, no doubt everyone was eager to get home.
The investigation will no doubt be interesting indeed!
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Bill Shaver its happened to many others in port... they just flooded the tunnel to put it out... surprised they have not done this ... my my, this might condem the ship now... structural weakening on account of this.
Marine Historical Society of Detroit No welding crew was aboard the vessel on Saturday. Just regular work crews according to local news sources.
Mark Robinson Bill Shaver it has not been said if her tunnel belts were on fire. I am sure nobody is able to get down there to see. They likely are as they are all pretty much connected together. And flood her tunnel to put out the fire. Well you need to be able to have pumps on to flood her tunnel. Nobody is going to get into her engine control room to be able to do so. And also she is all pumped out for the winter so I am unsure how much in feet of a rake she has on her but with her likely 8 feet plus by the stern all the water would stay aft on her as they pumped it into her tunnel. With the water staying aft and more weight there her draft aft would increase and the water would continue to just stay there...Unless she was even keel it would not work out well...
Jessica Scott Burns Mark Robinson plus I'm sure if she had a halon suppressant system on board, it wasn't active either due to being laid up. Or at least no one aboard to active it.
Mark Robinson Jessica Scott Burns she should have had it for her engine room. But none of us know all that went on etc. There will be opinions galore but until an investigation and report is done and released none of us will know. A belt fire is a bad one as it burns so hot. Hard to put out. The main thing is nobody was hurt...
Nat Park This is so sad.....so much work and expense went into her refit at Donjohn Shipbuilding and Repair during the winter of 2017-2018 in Erie, PA.
Julian English http://www.businessnorth.com/.../article_0896bb02-33a3...
Julian English At the Torco docks in Oregon, Ohio. I wonder what was burning.
https://www.13abc.com/.../Firefighters-battle-ship-fire...
I've read a post about how a ship in layup is staffed by one person. The post was emphasizing the loneliness of the job. But if it takes a human before any of the fire fighting equipment will work, I now understand why some ships use a skeleton staff during winter layover. Since some comments indicate that repair work was being done on the ship, I 'm even more surprised that a company representative wasn't living on board. After all, these ships do have beds, a kitchen, and a lounge.
Summerstown Seaway LookOut posted eleven photos of the aftermath.
Sheri Miller doesnt look too bad considering.
Mark Robinson Sheri Miller its bad...
Jim Hoffman Major damage on the inside of the vessel.
Boatnerd has moved their "news" photos to a permanent photo gallery.
2/20 - Investigators remain on scene in Toledo for what will likely be a lengthy investigation. Tuesday the St. Clair was reported to be listing and required to be pumped out. It is unclear if the water was from fire fighting or another source.
An album with 70 photos of the aftermath (source)
Andrew Haenish shared...
Clayton Healey Fortunately, the ship was not underway at the time. However, the crew, having been trained for such emergencies & being on top of it early, might have put the initial hot spot out quickly.
Not to be a speculative spectator here but if it was a welders' issue, a proper fire watch is the protocol long after welding has finished for the day. Being a Saturday, no doubt everyone was eager to get home.
The investigation will no doubt be interesting indeed!
...a post.
Bill Shaver its happened to many others in port... they just flooded the tunnel to put it out... surprised they have not done this ... my my, this might condem the ship now... structural weakening on account of this.
Marine Historical Society of Detroit No welding crew was aboard the vessel on Saturday. Just regular work crews according to local news sources.
Mark Robinson Bill Shaver it has not been said if her tunnel belts were on fire. I am sure nobody is able to get down there to see. They likely are as they are all pretty much connected together. And flood her tunnel to put out the fire. Well you need to be able to have pumps on to flood her tunnel. Nobody is going to get into her engine control room to be able to do so. And also she is all pumped out for the winter so I am unsure how much in feet of a rake she has on her but with her likely 8 feet plus by the stern all the water would stay aft on her as they pumped it into her tunnel. With the water staying aft and more weight there her draft aft would increase and the water would continue to just stay there...Unless she was even keel it would not work out well...
Jessica Scott Burns Mark Robinson plus I'm sure if she had a halon suppressant system on board, it wasn't active either due to being laid up. Or at least no one aboard to active it.
Mark Robinson Jessica Scott Burns she should have had it for her engine room. But none of us know all that went on etc. There will be opinions galore but until an investigation and report is done and released none of us will know. A belt fire is a bad one as it burns so hot. Hard to put out. The main thing is nobody was hurt...
Nat Park This is so sad.....so much work and expense went into her refit at Donjohn Shipbuilding and Repair during the winter of 2017-2018 in Erie, PA.
Julian English http://www.businessnorth.com/.../article_0896bb02-33a3...
Julian English At the Torco docks in Oregon, Ohio. I wonder what was burning.
https://www.13abc.com/.../Firefighters-battle-ship-fire...
I've read a post about how a ship in layup is staffed by one person. The post was emphasizing the loneliness of the job. But if it takes a human before any of the fire fighting equipment will work, I now understand why some ships use a skeleton staff during winter layover. Since some comments indicate that repair work was being done on the ship, I 'm even more surprised that a company representative wasn't living on board. After all, these ships do have beds, a kitchen, and a lounge.
Summerstown Seaway LookOut posted eleven photos of the aftermath.
Sheri Miller doesnt look too bad considering.
Mark Robinson Sheri Miller its bad...
Jim Hoffman Major damage on the inside of the vessel.
Boatnerd has moved their "news" photos to a permanent photo gallery.
2/20 - Investigators remain on scene in Toledo for what will likely be a lengthy investigation. Tuesday the St. Clair was reported to be listing and required to be pumped out. It is unclear if the water was from fire fighting or another source.
An album with 70 photos of the aftermath (source)
2024 layup
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| Andrew Dean Detroit posted Toledo Winter Layup 2024- Sleeping Giants Andrew Dean Detroit shared [8 more photos] |
I wish this had higher resolution, but you can read that red is iron, blue is coal and yellow is grain.
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| Great Lakes Lighthouse Keepers Association added Shipping routes for various cargoes on the Great Lakes circa 1950. [I was amazed that so much of the coal was shipped from the Toledo docks. Does this mean that most of the coal was coming from the Illinois Basin rather than the Appalachian Mountains? And why would grain and coal be going down Lake Michigan? It would be interesting to see this diagram for today. Coal would be going in the opposite direction because of the Powder River Basin and it would be going to power plant docks. There would be more grain and none of it would use the Erie Canal because of the St. Lawrence Seaway. (China owns bit grain elevators in Chicago and Milwaukee.)] |
Only Cleveland handles more tonnage.
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