Thursday, June 22, 2017

Varna, IL: GM&O/Chicago & Alton Depot

(Satellite)

Roger Holmes posted
On February 7th, 1972 Gulf, Mobile & Ohio RS1 #50 was in charge of the Dwight to Washington local but ran into problems just west of Streator. RS1's were not much good at bucking snow...at least the 50 wasn't. The snow got up on top of the traction motors, melting causing ground relay problems. Two days later the local had an F3 on the point which would do very well in hitting some high drifts further down the tracks. This is where I first caught the plow, er F, at Varna. The train, the 885A, box car, dead RS1, a covered hopper and ex-M&O wooden caboose, would take the curve, the track to my right. The other line went to Lacon. I apologize for the fact that this photo could have been, or should have been of much better quality, especially in composition! I think that I might have chosen this spot to show the station with the bay window which was farthest away from the tracks. Didn't do it! Had I moved to my right I would have accomplished that and the lighting would have been much better and I would have not gotten the shadow of the tree on the nose of the F. But what do expect from a college kid shooting with an Argus C3! © Roger A. Holmes.
Phil McCall The station was in town, on the east-west portion of the line, and was torn down around 1985.

The east/west route left the C&A mainline at Dwight, IL and went west through Streator and Varna and terminated at the river in Lacon. C&A had another branch that went north from Washington and terminated at the turnout the F-unit is taking. That branch had trackage rights on the TP&W to get into East Peoria.

Noah Haggerty posted
The former Chicago & Alton depot at Varna, Illinois circa 1980, along the Washington to Dwight branch abandoned in September 1979 by the ICG getting ready for dismantling. Around this time, the short-lived Washington, Metamora & Streator railroad tried to acquire the line, but was denied. John & Roger Kujawa Photo, Thomas Dyrek Collection.
Noah Haggerty posted again with the same comment.
Pete Zimmermann: And on this line you also had the Lacon Branch too.
Ken Morrison: Pete Zimmermann and that depot is still standing...
Noah Haggerty posted again with the same comment.
Noah Haggerty posted again with the same comment.
Sonny Ketcham: Still standing?
Noah Haggerty: Sonny Ketcham Lasted until the 1980’s.
Bill Edrington: Varna was the junction with the short branch that ran straight west to Lacon.
Noah Haggerty posted again with the same comment.
David Jordan: Noah Haggerty Richard Howard's Washington, Metamora & Streator never had a chance to purchase a portion of the Dwight Branch. The Illinois Central Gulf received permission from the Interstate Commerce Commission to abandon the line in September 1979. If it desired to purchase the line, WM&S would have to pay more than scrap value, which it could not. What you see in 1980 is a line already legally abandoned, awaiting removal.
Noah Haggerty: David Jordan Thanks once again. Where did the WMS operate? I know I’ve seen pictures in Washington and maybe Peoria, some running.
David Jordan: Noah Haggerty WMS didn't operate. It purchased equipment and stored it in Washington with hopes to purchase part of the ICG Dwight Branch.
Noah Haggerty posted again with the same comment.
[Some comments have more information on the Washington, Metamora & Streator Railroad.]
 
Andy Zukowski posted
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio Depot in Varna, Illinois. 1969
Steven Hooker shared
Richard Fiedler shared
Steven Hooker shared
John Czerwinski shared

Wednesday, June 21, 2017

Garrett, PA: B&O Coaling, Water Towers and Interlocking Tower (GA)

Tim Shanahan shared Jackson-Township historical preservation's photo.
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Coal Station in Garrett, Somerset County around the 1960's.
(Photo from Esther Mostoller Weigle via https://www.facebook.com/groups/253780567972963/)
Edward Bluebaugh shared

I looked at a 1966 Historic Aerial and a 1939 Penn Pilot, but I could not find the location of these towers in Garrett, PA. That was really frustrating because the coaling tower should have had a significant shadow. I assumed that B&O is the route that is still in use today and the Great Allegheny Passage Trail was the Western Maryland.

American-Rails.com posted
Baltimore & Ohio 4-6-2 #112 (P-7e) is seen here in Garrett, Indiana, circa 1957. This locomotive was formerly #5312, named the "President Pierce," part of the B&O's "President" class of Pacifics. By this date the engine had been renumbered for newly arriving diesels and would be off the roster within the year. Fred Byerly photo.
American-Rails.com collection.  
Bob Leverknight: Does the outline of the locomotive look familiar? It should to H0 modelers, as the P-7s were the prototype for the Mantua/Tyco Pacific.

I also don't know the location of this tower.
Darren Reynolds posted
B&Os "GA" tower 
Garrett,Pa.
Darren Reynolds posted
B&Os "GA" tower.. Garrett, Pennsylvania
David Andrew Wieting: Town and tower named for the father and son duo whom, better or worse, left a major impact on the course of the B&O's history. Although they built the Met Sub and the 'airline' arrow straight mainline from Akron to Chicago, they left a debt legacy that successors Loree and Willard had to struggle mightily to correct, and is one reason why we call it CSX today and not BX or BSX, although that might have been grist for comedians, I'll admit. But they do have towns and counties named for them. "Sand Patch: Clash of Titans" didn't go easy on them. It also implicated the murky influence of Johns Hopkins on some of their decisions. In any event GA was a once important crossover point and connector to a third mainline track from the other side of the Casselman River. The Berlin branch also once junctured there, only a stub remains, if that.
Jackson-Township historical preservation posted
Railroad Tower near the town of Garrett, Somerset County. Robert Bassett Ellis is the man standing at the top of the stairway.
Tim Shanahan shared

Bruce Elliott Railroad Slides Inc/Pocahontas Co. Society of Model Engineers posted two photos with the comment: "A question !    Attached is a photo of a line side structure at Garrett, Pa. I'm trying to find out what it was used for. In the first photo (track side), I suspect that the door at the left was to load coal from a "service" train for use in GA tower. A vertical board can be seen at about a half way point and I perceive that this might be where an interior wall was located. The second photo shows the back side which has four doors and two windows. Two doors and a window for one half and two doors and a window for the other half. With windows and doors on the half that is adjacent to the tower, I'm wondering what was in or what it was used for. I'm scratchbuilding this structure for the layout, but I'm curious as to what its purpose was. The photos are by Julian Barnhard."
Kyle McGrogan: Probably the compressor shed and coal house, if the tower had an electropneumatic plant.
Bruce Elliott Railroad Slides Inc/Pocahontas Co. Society of Model Engineers: Your thought has serious merit. Even before the tower was rebuilt to this configuration, it was an electropneumatic plant. The tower was upgraded at some point, removing the outside steps from the west end and putting in a spiral staircase. An area for the compressor to be covered would make sense and it wouldn't necessarily need a stove for heat to operate, so vents would be adequate.
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Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Carbondale, IL: IC Coaling Tower, Roundhouse and Depot

(Satellite of Coaling Towers, Satellite of Roundhouse Footprint, Street View, 2013 Street View)
Depot: (Satellite, and museum)

Street View
 
Street View, Jul 2022
 
Robert Wanner posted
Illinois Central Railroad at Carbondale, Illinois in July, 1954. Arrived from Belleville, Illinois on passenger train headed by steam locomotive with just enough time to look around before return trip. One thing accomplished was to climb the large coaling dock to record this view looking out over the roundhouse area. I was not disappointed although don't believe any locos were steamed up. Did catch 2 steam trains on the Mainline. Photo by Airman Robert Wanner then stationed at Scott AFB.
Kelly Wendt: Where would this be at in Carbondale?
Raymond Storey posted
The IC..Carbondale ILL..1954

Dennis DeBruler commented on Kelly's comment
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c4qWyQGR848MQnUC9

IRM Strahorn Library posted
The coaling and sanding facilities in Carbondale, Illinois in the late 1950s.  Look at that telephone pole – with eight cross-arms and as many as seventy or eighty wires!
This photograph is now part of the Dillon Collection at the Illinois Railway Museum’s Strahorn Library.  The Strahorn Library houses thousands of books, tens of thousands of periodicals and more than a hundred thousand photographs, all centering on the subject of trains and railroading and all held to support research and scholarship into the railroad history of the United States.  It is at 118 E. Washington Street in Marengo, Illinois, is normally open from 10AM to 2:30PM on Wednesdays and visitors are welcome.  For those unable to visit, we can provide access to our collections via telephone (815-568-1060), e-mail (strahorn@irm.org), or online catalog (librarycat.org/lib/IRMStrahornLibrary).
All materials are provided only for non-commercial purposes according to the “fair use” provision of U.S. Copyright Law which permits use of copyrighted material for criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship and research.
(Source: Dillon 1960, Strahorn Library, Illinois Railway Museum.  Posted by Jan Young)

John Fazenbaker posted
Illinois Central switchers No 2720 & 3547... At Centralia. Illinois...Photographer Edwin E. Olsen...Blackhawk Films slide 357-18.
Bryan Maloy location is Carbondale
Bryan Maloy 2720 is facing North, photo is looking west

Christopher Bodkin posted
Old coal towers and where the old roundhouse once stood at Carbondale, IL. March 16, 2024

Andy Zukowski posted
Illinois Central 4-8-2 #2613 at Carbondale Illinois. 1950
Ron Trentacosti: This is the first picture of the coal chutes in operation I have ever seen. They still stand and most folks have no idea what they are or that Carbondale was a major rail hub for many years. I worked at the roundhouse during the 70's and 80's.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Ron's comment
It is the second that I have seen during operation, https://www.facebook.com/groups/ILLRRHISTORYBUFFS/posts/2959949027564577/, but we can't have too many views of what they used to look like. Today's view:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iwMbh49FAoGpfkEK6

Mike Breski posted
IC, Carbondale, Illinois, 1959
Illinois Central Railroad 4-8-2 steam locomotive no. 2613 leading the northbound Cairo Turn local freight train under the coaling tower at Carbondale, Illinois, on December 28, 1959. Photograph by J. Parker Lamb, © 2015, Center for Railroad Photography and Art. Lamb-01-031-04
Raymond Storey posted (also low resolution)

Jim Arvites posted
View of the Illinois Central Railroad passenger depot at Carbondale, Illinois circa 1905. The station, built in 1903, was replaced by a new Amtrak depot in 1981, but is still standing today.
(Jackson County Historical Society - Murphysboro, Illinois)

Dale Hearn posting
ICG's coaling towers at Carbondale, IL. tower above a short train leaving town on Sept.14, 1980. Dale Hearn
Loren Casey Not only leaving town, but headed for Muphysboro.
Kevin Pearson Other than the towers, it looks nothing like that now.

Jim Pearson posted
Canadian National Support our Troops Engine 3233 at Carbondale, IL
Canadian National (CN) locomotive 3233 (Support our Troops) heads north on the CN Centralia Subdivision leading CN M396 as it spits the old Illinois Central Coaling towers at Carbondale, Illinois on December 15th, 2020.
From a CN Press Release: "CN’s two new tribute locomotives (CN 3233 & 3015) pay homage to veterans and active military men and women across North America. Their custom design represents the proud footprint we have established across our network and our deep recognition for the veterans who live and work in the communities our trains pass through every day. Stay tuned as they make their debut on our main line in the coming days!"
Tech Info: DJI Mavic Air 2 Drone, JPG, 4.5mm (24mm equivalent lens) f/2.8, 1/500, ISO 100, (for detail in the highlights).

Illinois Central Railroad Scrapbook posted
Other than violating Rule G (showing up for work intoxicated or drinking on the job), there's probably no greater sin in the eyes of railroad management than allowing a locomotive to roll off into the turntable pit.  Yet, on a warm, muggy, Friday the 13th in June, 1958, we see Illinois Central GP9 9174 sitting in the turntable pit at Carbondale, IL.  Number 9174 was a youngster when this photo was taken, having been delivered in January, 1956.  
The front walkway handrails have pretty significant damage, indicating collision with another object.  I've only found a brief, one-paragraph mention of this incident in any of the papers around Carbondale.  9174 and another unidentified diesel locomotive were being moved from the wash rack and somehow, someway the hostler lost control and 9174 wound up in the turntable pit.  Thankfully the newspapers did not report any injuries.
To compound the tension, IC's St. Louis Division was headquartered in Carbondale.... just a couple blocks from the roundhouse .  More than a few foremen, managers, and perhaps even the Division Superintendent himself are on hand and actively giving their advice and instructions on how to get 9174 out of the pit..NOW!
It's unknown how long it took to extricate 9174 from the pit, but judging from that stack of cribbing underneath the locomotive, it undoubtedly took the better part of a day.  Incidentally, 9174 served the IC and successor Illinois Central Gulf until 1986, when she was sold to Mid-South Rail..
Photographer not marked on print, Cliff Downey coll.
[Note the coaling towers behind the locomotive.]
Cliff Downey shared

Alexander Golman commented on the above posting
Carbondale roundhouse.
Bill Molony shared
Gary Miller posted
Period photo of IC roundhouse & locomotives in Carbondale, IL
Mary Rae McPherson: Ben Gelman photo from the SCRC Virtual Collection at Morris Library, Southern Illinois University. Let's credit the source, please.

Mary Rae McPherson posted
P30ch #718 passing the North Yard coal towers on southbound 391
Abandonedimages by Michael Wright posted
Coaling towers that were built around 1913 for the Illinois Central. Still standing in Carbondale,Illinois.
Bryan Maloy These were built in 1949, before that there was a wood coal tower,,,,,

Mary Rae McPherson posted
In the late sixties, the Illinois Central Railroad had cut back on most of its passenger service, with the exception of what it called the "mini-corridor" between Carbondale and Chicago. Passengers along this stretch of the Mainline of Mid-America had multiple options, including The Campus, The Mid-American and The Shawnee in addition to the Chicago-New Orleans and Chicago-Miami long haul trains.
When Amtrak came along, one of the "mini-corridor" trains was kept: The Shawnee. The train left Chicago in the morning and reached Carbondale in the early afternoon. Once there, the train was turned and serviced for its afternoon return to Chicago.
In June of 1974, the train had been turned and was being serviced alongside the coaling towers in Carbondale's North Yard. The locomotive was no stranger here, as #4034 was an Illinois Central unit to the core despite the Phase I Amtrak colors.
Bill Wylde photo, scanned from a slide in my collection.
Mary Rae McPherson shared

Monday, June 19, 2017

Milwaukee, WI: Nidera Grain Elevator and the Salty Fearless

(Update: I have determined that the ship docked at COFCO/Nidera/Continental Grain Elevator.)

Steve Rod posted five photos with the comment: "Milwaukee inbound, grain elevator."

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3, going under the Hoan (I-794) Bridge

4    [It was unloaded in Oshawa and then Detroit [BoatNerd-passage]. It appears they knew the weather was going to be good between Detroit and Milwaukee and they did not bother to add much ballast. I've never seen so much of the bow exposed outside of a drydock. I wonder if part of the prop is sticking out of the water.]

5   [This picture allowed me to confirm it was going to Nidera Grain Elevator. The obsolete grain unloader and the new silos next to the older silos are consistent with the map images.]

More photos: bowstern.

I thought that ships with cranes were general cargo ships that sometimes carry bulk cargo in their holds. But I discovered that Boat Nerd classifies this ship as "Geared Bulker." That means it is a self-unloader, but it uses cranes instead of a conveyor and boom. [MarineInsight] In this case it is four 30t cranes. So scoop-by-scoop unloading is still done by salties. This ship was built in 2001, but there are ships built in 2015 and 2016 that still have cranes instead of the boom unloaders we see on Lakers.

Tolono, IL: Junction Tower: CN/IC vs. NS/Wabash and Union Station

(Satellite)

American-Rails.com posted
The old art of grabbing train orders is demonstrated here by an Illinois Central Gulf crewman on caboose #199456 as part of a northbound freight crossing the Norfolk & Western diamond at Tolono, Illinois on August 4, 1982. Jack Kuiphoff photo.
Greg Phelps In the mid-seventies I handed up train 🚂 orders with a forked stick! Had to stand close beside the train and hand up to the engineer, step back and then also hand up to the conductor on the caboose! At Horse Branch, KY handing up to a North bound coal train coming down a hill and around a curve at 60+ miles per hour! The engines would get to swaying so much you could read all of the number plates on the locomotives, six of them! First time I did this was a bit scary!
Justin Gillespie What happened when they missed or dropped it on a busy main line like that?
Terry Taylor The head brakeman , if it was the headend, or rear brakeman if it was the caboose started walking back and the operator ran toward the train knowing the dispatcher was going to eat his rear out for delaying the train and probably messing up his meet, whether it was his fault, or not.
Michael Megee My first time . . . I tried to grab it with my hand. I ended up walking/running about 1/2 mile each way to retrieve them.
Dan E. Brodigan Don't miss, or there's hell to pay!

Todd A. Warrick shared
Norm Alexander Pic is a great demonstration of why those IC cabooses were so long. Conductor has a level covered platform with a railing to stand behind when snagging orders. I understand those buggies gave a nice ride too.
Mark Rickert They got tired of losing crew out the side door overreaching.

Dennis DeBruler shared
Thomas Kaufman: Having done what the trainman i doing on the caboose, I can tell you all it is not as easy as it looks, lol.

The train is northbound because the tower was in the southeast quadrant.
1940 Aerial Photo from ILHAP
It must have been waybills for the conductor because, if it was train orders, the top "iron man" is not turned up into "hooping position."

Update:
Mid-Century Decatur posted
"The conductor of an eastbound Wabash freight train from Decatur bound for Detroit gets a "hot box" signal as it passes the Illinois Central tracks at Tolono in July 1959, 66 years ago.  A hot box is the term used when an axle bearing overheats on a piece of rolling stock.  Today, hotbox sensors report such failures but at that time detection depended on observant railroad employees noticing the glow of overheating metal."
Photo:  J. Parker Lamb, Center for Railroad Photography and Art
Cliff Kierstead shared

Stephen N. Brannon posted
Tolono, Illinois where the IC north-south main crossed the Wabash main from Detroit to Decatur and then on to either St. Louis or Kansas City could be a busy job at the joint agency depot.
Richard Fiedler shared
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Richard Fiedler shared
Jon Roma: It could be busy but it could also be quiet. This depot was built in the early Fifties to replace an earlier structure that had a tower built into the corner of the building. Manned by IC employees, Tolono closed as a 'round-the-clock interlocking station on April 15, 1992, and the building was razed in March, 1994.
Stephen N. Brannon: Anyone have a photo of the previous depot with the built-in tower?
 
Richard Fiedler answered Stephen's question

Richard Fiedler commented
even earlier.

Bill Molony shared
"Follow The Flag." Wabash E8A #1012 arrives at Tolono, Illinois with Train #4, the eastbound "Wabash Cannonball" (St. Louis - Detroit), as it eases across the Illinois Central diamonds on October 28, 1962. Thanks to the popularity of the folk song, "The Wabash Cannonball," the railroad inaugurated an actual train by that name in 1949, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_Cannonball. Roger Puta photo/Marty Bernard collection.
Brandon McShane The musical junction where the City of New Orleans crossed.Jared Stanfield had a section crew in Tolono in those days, note the great surface on that diamond.

Todd A. Warrick posted
Illinois Central Depot in Tolono Illinois where my stepfather, Jack Woods worked at. Not sure who is in this pic as it is from 1960. The black box to the left alarmed as the trains approached. It is where the IC and Wabash RR's intersected. Photograph by J. Parker Lamb, © 2015, Center for Railroad Photography and Art. Lamb-01-032-01
James Maltby The electric track control box is now at the Wabash depot at the Monticello Railway Museum.
Skip Luke I worked at Tolono many, many times. It was a good job back in the 60s, 70s ..... I did become a dispatcher in '68.
..... "The black box" was a relay interlocking machine, controlling the diamond and a set of crossovers on IC.
Thomas Bowers posted two photos with the comment: "N&W #1774 at Tolono, Il. crossing the ICG main. April 1984"
Rob Conway High Hood SD45s were such cool units!
Jon Gilbert Might have been DR78, a Decatur - Roanoke train. Cabooses were mostly gone from the Wabash by then, other than on this train and on RD77.
Ken Schmidt Hooping up orders. You sure date that photo Tom.
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A Feb 7, 1984 photo of a northbound ICG GP3802

Robert Daly posted five photos with the comment: "Fifty-four years ago: on October 18, 1969 fellow railfan Ken Belovarac and I visited the IC/Wabash (N&W) station at Tolono. It was five years after the merger with N&W but the Wabash name was still on the trainboard. We caught a westbound freight with #2804, an ex-NKP GP9 delivered in 1959, and a former Wabash caboose. A southbound IC freight also appeared with the lead unit sporting the  new orange and white colors."
Dennis DeBruler shared
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